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Mike Piazza
Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Jeff Bagwell Mark McGwire Sammy Sosa Ken Griffey Jr. If I had a vote on the Veteran's Committee: Ted Simmons and Gil Hodges. |
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+1 for Simmons and Hodges
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My ballot:
Piazza Bagwell Raines Trammell Griffey Jr Edmonds Hoffman Yes, I would eventually vote for Clemens and Bonds to be in the Hall. They would have been Hall of Famers if they'd never juiced. But because they did, I wouldn't put their names on my first ballot. Or my second. Or third. Quote:
I remember seeing Simba play at Milwaukee County Stadium as a kid. When he got the sweet spot of the bat on the ball, you could hear it all the way in Waukesha. The man was very strong. Simmons was an extra base hit machine, and there's a compelling case to be made for his induction. Here's a list of the Major League players who started at least 1,000 games at catcher, sorted by career extra base hits: Ivan Rodriguez 934 Carlton Fisk 844 Johnny Bench 794 Mike Piazza 779 Ted Simmons 778 Yogi Berra 728 Gary Carter 726 Rodriguez is likely a first ballot Hall of Famer, and Piazza should get in soon. You mean to tell me that every guy on this list is a Hall of Famer but Simmons? And Hodges? I'm sorry, Hodges is one player where I feel the WAR metrics simply do not do him justice. He should have been in long ago.
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I feel that it's wrong to give love to Gil Hodges without acknowledging someone like Keith Hernandez, who I think has a stronger case.
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Here's another head scratcher. Hernandez won 12 Gold Gloves. Yet, his career dWAR is 0.6.
I watched him play first base. He was spectacular. He changed opposing manager strategy. So how is it that his glove work was worth only a half a win over a replacement first baseman?
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I am still torn on Clemens and Bonds, as those guys were truly special players even before they juiced. I am not convinced Clemens has the latter day resurgence without the medication. He looked to this untrained eye like he was cooked around '93 and not sure he did enough before then to warrant entry. But what a stretch of dominance from 1986-1992. Barry Bonds was just a tremendous hitter who achieved almost God-like skills when he went on the PEDs. Tough call. Those two aside, my ballot -
Griffey Raines Piazza Schilling Mussina Bagwell Walker Trammell |
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Hernandez had a better OPS+ and was a better defender than Ebbets product Hodges. |
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Does that make John Olerud a HOFer? They had basically the same career. If anything, Olerud was better offensively...
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To whom are you referring? I feel Keith should be in and I don't think that for Hodges/Olerud.
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Hernandez: 17 years, 2088 games, 2182 hits, 426 doubles, 162 HR, 1071 RBI, 1070 BB, .296 BA, .384 OBP, .436 SLG, 128 OPS+. 1 batting title, 1 shared MVP, 11 Gold Gloves. 1 season of 100+ RBI, 1 season with 99 RBI. 0 seasons of 20+ HR. Olerud: 17 years, 2234 games, 2239 hits, 500 doubles, 255 HR, 1230 RBI, 1275 BB, .295 BA, .398 OBP, .465 SLG, 129 OPS+. 1 batting title, one other season of .354. 0 MVPs. 3 Gold Gloves. 4 seasons of 100+ RBI, 3 other seasons with 93+ RBI. 5 seasons of 20+ HR. For most of Hernandez's career, his "most similar" player is John Olerud. Olerud was an all-time elite defensive 1B (which shows how unreliable dWAR is - Baseball Reference has Olerud as a negative dWAR player for his career, which is simply laughable, and Hernandez at just 0.6 for his career). Hernandez was the best, no question. But Olerud was just a touch below that level. So, if you're going to say Hernandez belongs in, then Olerud goes in, too. More productive offensively, nearly equal defensively. |
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Hernandez win all those Gold Gloves, though. There was something really good about him defensively. If you're the best defensive player ever at your position, you can have a spot in Cooperstown.
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