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Old 10-13-2017, 09:45 AM
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Default 1952 topps Printing flaws vs errors VS variations rehash fun for some, not for others

Just checking in with the 52 topps collectors, and beating the dead horse once again! I know their is a slight diffence of opinion on errors vs variations, so I wanted to post these two cards for thoughts. I'm working on a raw master set with all errors and variations, printing flaws not so much.

Hattan, spot on the hat is reoccuring, though not often. One to keep?


Chico, I cant seem to find this missing spot on the border on any other ones. One to keep?

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Old 10-13-2017, 10:17 AM
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Just checking in with the 52 topps collectors, and beating the dead horse once again! I know their is a slight diffence of opinion on errors vs variations, so I wanted to post these two cards for thoughts. I'm working on a raw master set with all errors and variations, printing flaws not so much.

Hattan, spot on the hat is reoccuring, though not often. One to keep?


Chico, I cant seem to find this missing spot on the border on any other ones. One to keep?

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IMO, I would call both the Chico and Hatten "print variants", as I would also call the House card. I would consider the two different Mantle cards "variations".

As to whether or not to keep, purely personal preference, I kept an extra 280 Boyer because of the stray red line and a yellowish logo House card.....but I did not go out of my way to acquire either, they were simply part of a lot I had purchased. Keep them both.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:37 AM
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Default Variants

I tend to think of variations as intentional changes in cards, or changes resulting from decisions or changes made in the printing process ( including DPs ). I think of recurring print defects ( it is sometimes impossible to determine if these were discovered and corrected) as variants.

For Topps I have collected any "variation " listed in SCD, Beckett or The Registry. Many of those are in my view recurring print defects ( Bakep and Herrer for example). I also collect variants or recurring print defects for my sets.

Some I find on my own, some I see posted here or in other venues. When I see one I do not have I look for it on eBay, or Deans or COMC if it involves a back. if it does not show up there over some period of time I drop it as not recurring or recurring enough.

I would keep both. Hatton because it is apparently recurring though scarce, and Cico because that type of defect tends to be recurring, even if rare ( like the Campos black star, partial star, missing front border)

On the House I have heard it argued it is a variation because different versions of it appear on different backs. Not sure myself

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Old 10-13-2017, 04:24 PM
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Just checking in with the 52 topps collectors, and beating the dead horse once again! I know their is a slight diffence of opinion on errors vs variations, so I wanted to post these two cards for thoughts. I'm working on a raw master set with all errors and variations, printing flaws not so much.

Hattan, spot on the hat is reoccuring, though not often. One to keep?


Chico, I cant seem to find this missing spot on the border on any other ones. One to keep?

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I looked at a lot of Chico's in my quest to obtain one, Ted, but I don't ever recall seeing one like that.
Imo, if I could only keep one, I'd definitely keep the Chico card.
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Old 10-13-2017, 05:54 PM
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I see them both as common print errors. On certain cards I have paid insane premiums for a little random print spot/defect. On 99.99% of cards I would pass on a card with those type of print defects. Collect what you like and never think about resale value and you will be much happier.
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Picked up a Page with Sain bio. That’s a variation. The fisheye pieces are just print flaws. No extra value IMO. Hell it is hard fo find a 1961 MVP or a 1975 without a fisheye.
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Old 10-14-2017, 10:52 AM
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I agree with Adam on the fish eyes. The Hatton is not included in my master set list.

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