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Old 08-21-2006, 08:27 AM
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Posted By: Mike P

Just when you thought it had gone away for a while...

Michael O'Keeffe of the New York Daily News not only regurgitates last week's bad news story, but conflates it with the fiction that anybody -- besides Cobb, Edwards, and auctioneer Connelly -- cares who's selling a bogus Honus.

O'Keeffe's article, "Race card played in failure to sell Honus collectible," is here (scroll down):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/444941p-374723c.html

He says, in part:

"On Network 54, an Internet vintage card forum, the reaction was mixed. Some collectors were angry that Cobb and Edwards weren't dismissed as crooks.

Others agreed that Cobb and Edwards may be on to something when they say prejudice has played a role in the debate over their card."

Of course, all the folks who are quoted as thinking the card is a fake ARE white.

Cincinnati sports memorabilia dealer Wolter inspected the card and told Cobb & Edwards it wasn't genuine eight or nine years ago, then again Tuesday on Real Sports.

Joe Orlando of PSA finally broke his long careful silence on Real Sports and pointed out the crucial differences in the typography under the image.

And then there's NY broker Mike "Mango" Mangaserian (sp), whom O'Keeffe played up in an earlier column. Mike inspected the card in Manhattan and thought it might be okay. He handled it in Binghamton before the auction and said the paper felt wrong. He didn't bid for his client.

Of course, just about everybody here on VBC is white, too.

Obviously, a racial conspiracy!

The Cobb/Edwards card has been called controversial. Nonsense. The only question is how Cobb and Edwards manage to keep their "story" alive in the national media.

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Old 08-21-2006, 08:36 AM
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Posted By: jay behrens

I thought this board was filled with rich Asians from the West Coast?

Jay

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Old 08-21-2006, 09:18 AM
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Posted By: David Smith

I posted before the auction even ended that 2 things were going to happen; 1) the race card was going to be played and 2) somebody was going to get sued.

Well, the first thing has happened. Now I am just waiting to see who gets sued.....This whole story is just pathetic and shows why America is going downhill.

Oh and Jay, as far as your comment, two Wongs don't make a right--trying to sell a fake Wagner as an original and then saying race had something to do with it not selling.

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Old 08-21-2006, 09:37 AM
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Posted By: dennis

we had a collector on this forum, who is black ,say the card is fake!

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Old 08-21-2006, 09:50 AM
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Posted By: David Vargha

Well, as a one-armed, dyslexic, midget, gay black man, I think it is fake as well. There . . . now they can quote a black man as well.

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Old 08-21-2006, 10:08 AM
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Posted By: leon

Well, seems our board does get a little attention. I like this quote from the article:

"Others agreed that Cobb and Edwards may be on to something when they say prejudice has played a role in the debate over their card."


This was pertaining to what we said on the board, I believe. Is this media contortionism at it's best? I would like O'keefe to come onto this board, or anyone, and show one instance that there was anything racial going on, besides the crooks that came onto this board and were crying the racial card.... Those guys could have been albino's from NH and the card would still be a worthless fake. They are scammers that have told the lie so much that now they believe it and if that doesn't work then it must be because they are black that the card is fake. That's just stupid. regards

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Id like to know who here said they might be on to something when they said race may play a factor? I think we all agree that the only factor on whether the card is real or not is the fact we all know its fake just by looking at it in scans.Its an obvious fake.

Someone is reading this board obviously so here it goes. Take the card in question and compare it to any real known t206. Comapre the borders,the printing on the card and realize it isnt the same.Go to the hall of fame, where there is a real Wagner on display(that no one has ever questioned the authenticity of ever) and compare theirs to it.Take it to any expert you want at a card show and ask them.If its real do you think a company such as Mastro would turn down the card for their auction when it would not only make them alot of money but draw a huge amount of attention towards their auction.Go to any legit auction run by card experts who actually sell cards and ask them if they want to have a card which could make them tens of thousands of dollars and get them a large amount of exposure and when they say yes,show them that card and look at their reaction. People dont see black when they sell cards for someone, they see green

If they think 100's of legit dealers are all conspiring to not make money eventho alot of them could use it,and numerous buyers with money to spare who would love to buy a Wagner, are all holding out for another one because the sellers are black, then they are crazy and dont want to hear the truth.The other problem with that thinking is that theyre saying theres no black dealers in the industry(which i know is obviously false just from going to shows) and theres no black buyers who can afford the card? which again is another false statement because we know there is,ask Dmitri Young for help and see what he says,he spends more on cards per year then most of us will in our lifetimes.

No one at our little board is trying to keep a new Wagner card out of the collecting community.If someone finds a new Wagner thats real we all want to know about it no matter who the new owner of the card is.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

"all the folks who are quoted as thinking the card is a fake ARE white."

Interesting.

I posted in that thread, and said that I thought the card was fake.

I must have been out the day the Daily News fact-checker called my house to confirm my ethnic origin.

-Al

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Old 08-21-2006, 10:28 AM
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Posted By: joe brennan

They had their 15 minutes of fame. I wish they would take their card, burn it and go back to selling refurbished cell phones and horny goat weed.

People said it was a million dollar wound. But the government must keep that money, cause I ain't never seen a penny of it.

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Old 08-21-2006, 10:44 AM
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Posted By: Joann

Wow. I really don't remember anyone in any thread saying that race was a factor in why no one wanted to believe the card is real. I DO remember a few posts saying that if race were a factor, it was only in getting the story more news coverage and that if the sellers were caucasian this wouldn't be a story at all.

Sorry - I'm paraphrasing those posters because I have zero desire or inclination to go back and reread all the hundreds of posts in the different threads on the issue. I think I pretty much got the gist of the comments right, but feel free to ring in if I misspoke for anyone.

Anyway, could THAT be the kind of comment that this journalist is using to imply that some on this board did think that race played a role in this situation???

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