1914 CJ Joe Jackson PSA 2 to SGC 5

[pokerplyr80]

Any chance 2 cards that came out of a box of cracker Jacks 100 years ago could have similar looking stains in the same spot? Maybe one shaped like something covered in caramel was pressed against it.

[Kenny Cole]

I think it is likely the same card too.

[Bicem]

Also back damage on the upper right that's been worked on, you can still traces of it and patterns match up, easily seen to the right of the "Cleve-"

[bigfanNY]

Same card

[orly57]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Any chance 2 cards that came out of a box of cracker Jacks 100 years ago could have similar looking stains in the same spot? Maybe one shaped like something covered in caramel was pressed against it.

Yes. It’s posible that two different, identically-shaped Cracker Jack candies stained two different Joe Jackson cards in the exact same spot. It is posible that the cards shared numerous other identifying features, including identical centering (slight tilt), corner-wear, and other markings. It is also possible that both of those cards survived over 100 years, and were sold in auctions a few months apart. Of course the lesser grade card sold first (by a reputable auction house), and the higher grade sold months later (by a company that is currently under the microscope for selling altered cards). So yeah, there is “possible” and there is “highly unlikely.”

[Bicem]

Is it possible all this is just a bad dream?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Is it possible all this is just a bad dream?

I wish. But no, I don't think so.

[pokerplyr80]

Just checked the registry. No one has that card listed but the cert is still active. Assuming this card and others have been cleaned up and resubmitted maybe these guys could send the old flips back in an unmarked envelope. It should help everyone to have more accurate population numbers.

[oldjudge]

I’ll repeat what I said a few days ago. All the graders, regardless of the company, have trouble picking out cards that are doctored. Given enough time, and a library of before images, they could do it. Unfortunately, they have neither.

[swarmee]

So what are we paying them for? Maybe we need to start a Graded Card Submitter Support Group to try to stop this vicious cycle. It's like drug peddling and addiction.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Any chance 2 cards that came out of a box of cracker Jacks 100 years ago could have similar looking stains in the same spot? Maybe one shaped like something covered in caramel was pressed against it.

no dream weaver