T206 cards found

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Posted By: rick

Hi I am a knew memeber to the board my name is rick. I came accross this board a few weeks ago i like the info you guys have on this board. I recently came accross Some T206 cards I would like to know what they could be worth. I am not sure how to post scans on here. but if you e-mail me i can reply with scans. Here is a list of the T206 cards I have they are not in very good condition.

Davis phili Amer. back says 350 subjects Piedmont the cigarette of quality
Alperman Brooklyn. back says 150 subjects Piedmont the cigarette of quality
Doyle N.Y. Natl back says 350 subjects Piedmont the cigarette of quality



The Davis card shows a picture of him in a white uniform in a blue backround
The alperman card shows him holding a baseball bat in a green and a yellow backround
The Doyle card shows him with his hands above his head with a blue backround.

I discribed the cards the best I can you can all e-mail me at ricksmith19800@yahoo.com if you want to see pics of the cards I doubt they have any value though.

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Posted By: barrysloate

You have only three cards and one is a major rarity. This doesn't sound kosher.

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Posted By: Jeremy W.

I thought we celebrated April Fools Day on the 1st? If you're being serious & the cards are real, you may have something with the Doyle card.

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Posted By: Matt

You can email me images and I'll post them.

My Trade/Sale Page

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Posted By: Dave

How fortunate... one of the 3 cards you found is also one of the rarest.

Please post scans if you don't mind. I'd love to see the Doyle.

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Posted By: T206Collector

I recentely found a box of cards in my grandfather's attic and they have some flags and pictures of generals and a man named Wagner with Pittsburg written crossed his chest. I doubt they are worth anything but if you email me I can add your email to my spam list or better yet try to hook you up with this Nigerian Prince I know.

Again, I doubt they are worth anything, so you could make a huuuuge profit if you would only contact me with your email information.

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Posted By: Jimmy

pictures would be helpful if you have them

Jimmy

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Dear troll, the least you could do is make it interesting or believable.

Ah....only a few more days.

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Posted By: leon

So correct you are. I am surprised one card isn't some guy with blue eyes. Anyway, with the new registration process I will only be approving AFTER I get user id, first and last name and daytime ph#...That will at least help the cause but I guess nothing is foolproof. Except for the Doyle it could have been believable.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Before everyone jumps down this guy's throat, remember this is EXACTLY how Skydash started. I agree, sounds too good to be true, but sometimes people pick up fake cards at an antique shop or garage sale thinking that they may have some value but without knowing for sure. I don't think that everyone who posts here should automatically be labeled a troll.

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Posted By: rick

wow you guys can be crul. anyway i came across these cards at a garage sale and i paid 10.00 for them. the lady said the belonged to her great grand father. my scanner is giveing me problems. the doyle card is rare? I never heard of that guy any info would be great also i will be going to office depot to get a knew scanner and try to post the scans.

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Posted By: peter ullman

Joe...I agree...let's wait and see...he's getting a "knew" scanner...so pics should be up soon! This is kinda how the butter cream ruth in the current rea was re-found...although I'm septic-al!

pete in mn

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Posted By: fkw

No need for a knew scanner, only need to go to a good Copy Store (ie Kinkos) and they can scan them for you.

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Posted By: Joseph

If the poster was savvy enough to find this forum and knew enough to identify the cards as "T206" and use the words "hands above head" then it would have taken him 2 minutes to find out the answer to his query. This is not how Shydash played out, this poster should not be indulged, and mine should be this thread's last post.

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Posted By: Dave F

Exactly Joseph. The Davis was described as "white uniform with a blue background", but on the Doyle, Natl he just happened to nail "hands above his head".

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Probably the same poster who wants info on a Ruth photo that he refuses to show anyone. That one was mildly amusing. This one was too easy.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

I have Arizona Oceanfront property if one is interested, this is as equally as astonishing ,so ya'll let me know !

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Joe - actually this was exactly how Skydash played out - here is the original thread...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1186597102/how+to+find+an+honest+appraiser

Remember, Skydash claimed that two autographed Babe Ruth jerseys were thrown out but the cards were saved. Funny enough, the same "Arizona beach front property" line was used then too.

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Posted By: David Poses

I'm no expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

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Posted By: Rob L

Hi,

I just found this card. I was told it's a T206 Johnson portrait with Green back. Does anyone know how much this might be worth?



Rob L

http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd/

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

had a good camera/scanner and quickly put pictures up and came back routinely to answer the criticism and was a great guy after all...........this dude.....maybe not so much...

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Posted By: Scott B.

I think this guy is legit. He said his cards are not in good condition so I guess he also considers the "Natl" part on his Doyle N.Y. could have been hand written.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Rick,

Don't let the skeptics scare you away. They have good reason to be skeptical. If your claims are legit, you wont find a better place or more knowledgeable group of collectors around.

marty

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Posted By: Scott Levy

I will not pass judgment without seeing scans even though I would be extremely surprised if it was legit. However, we should remember that although exceedingly rare the 'miracle find' does sometimes happen.

For proof....just look at the REA auction. The PSA 1 Plank with paper tear on the front was found with a very small group (maybe 3 or 4) other T cards. And while Lifson has told me that he fields countless bogus inquiries....that Plank is very much real and should serve as proof that the impossible occasionally becomes reality.

Regards,
Scott

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Posted By: Jimmy

give it some time, we are hoping they are real - would be nice to see

Jimmy

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Posted By: Matt

from the OP: "I am not sure how to post scans on here. but if you e-mail me i can reply with scans."

anyone get the scans? I have not.

My Trade/Sale Page

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

and they're SPECTACULAR...........woops........just thinking about Teri Hatcher.....

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Posted By: Dan McCarthy

While I agree that the odds of them being real are slim, I think we should all cut Rick some slack... I've exchanged a few emails with him and he seems like a decent guy. It could be a miracle find, or it could be guy who unknowingly has fake cards, or it could be someone looking to prank/scam, but I think that it's only right to reserve judgment until we actually see what he's got. If no scans/photos show up in the next few days then I'd say it's safe to assume it's a troll.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...to apply statistical reasoning to extremely unlikely events is why Honus Wagner reprints continue to sell for $100 or more on ebay (and why people buy lottery tickets and play slot machines). These stories always remind me of an article I once read about how everyone thinks they have a great book to write about themselves when most people really don't. In much the same way novice collectors think they're the special ones with the great find -- that they just won the lottery. While technically true that "the 'miracle find' does sometimes happen" -- yes, people do win the lottery -- it is this dream that keeps the scam artists alive (and the casinos profitable). I'd prefer not to perpetuate the myth and come down hard on these people -- especially so in this case when the evidence of fraud is so completely overwhelming.






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Posted By: Scot

Let's see . . .

7 Doyle (N.Y. Nat'l) cards / roughly 1.6 million T206 cards =

0.00044% chance of finding a Doyle in a 1-card find * 3 cards found =

0.0013%, or about a 1 in 75,000 chance that this is a legitimate find.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

It's always sobering to be in a convenience store or one of those gas station mini marts and watch people who appear not to be particularly well off keep plunking down money on scratch tickets. I guess it's a necessary revenue device for states, but it leaves a bad taste.

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Posted By: Marc S.

you have an issue with regressive taxes?

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Posted By: JimB

Dan,
Are you suggesting that people wait for evidence before convicting? Are you crazy?
JimB

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Posted By: Adam

Guys, I found a "Wagner" card in some sort of plastic case with a red and white label at the top. It says "McNall/Gretzky" on the label. Kind of looks trimmed though. Worth anything? Probably not, huh?

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Posted By: Dan McCarthy

Jim -- I realize it's a pretty new concept but in my experience it usually works out for the better.


While the skepticism is certainly warranted, and I agree that the cards (or the Doyle, at least) are likely not authentic. However, even if that is the case, immediately jumping to the conclusion that it's a scam is a little rash. I know if I found something that I thought was cool and potentially valuable but knew nothing about at a yard sale/antique shop/whatever (like this:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290311981050), the logical first step would be to find some kind of forum catering to modern art and post something saying "Hey -- I'm new here and I found this pretty big colorful artwork, i think it might be a painting or lithograph. it's a circle with what looks like a bunch of splashes on it like paint was dropped while it was spinning around or something. Whoever made it signed it, its kind of scribbled but looks like "Dmin nit". Maybe the artist is african or asian? I dont know what kind of name that is. Anyway, its probably not worth anything but I thought i'd ask."

Maybe what I had bought was actually just a hi-res printout of a lithograph worth $15k, but since it's not in my area of expertise there's no way I could know that. Maybe it's actually a lithograph worth $15k. Maybe I had just become interested in modern art, but thanks to the seemingly unwelcoming community I'm turned away from it.

All I'm saying is that jumping all over what could be an innocent question rather than attempting to educate isn't really productive at all. Maybe some lurkers or people new to the hobby (I was both, pretty recently in fact) don't know what about the Doyle is so special and are curious. Maybe someone that does have a legitimate find is reading the board but decides not to post because they fear reprisal.



P.S. That's not to say that I don't appreciate the sense of humor all of you guys bring to the situation... all of the responses were good for a laugh!

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Posted By: T206Collector

...but this was not an "innocent question" brought by a newbie, but a poorly crafted attempt to scam someone(s) out of money.

While I certainly recognize how many here inappropriately pounce on novices, the skeptical (at best) responses in this thread should not have a chilling effect on a newcomers willing to post.

A genuine newbie would not have drafted his post this way:

1- intentionally poor spelling ("knew memeber"; "discribed") and punctuation (people who write without periods do not sometimes get it right).

2- description of Doyle is near perfect in line with catalog description of rarity, whereas Davis and Alperman are not in line with catalog description

3- providing private email address in thread, to draw predators off the thread, as opposed to seeking public responses within the thread

4- claiming cards have no value, in an effort to lure predators.

These are the red flags as I see them. In a different context, 1 or more of these flags would not necessarily require a swift rebuke. But all 4 together like this is ridiculous.





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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Paul is right.

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Posted By: leon

I agree with Paul's assumptions 100%. Anyone that writes that poorly shouldn't be allowed on a computer. They should be studying remedial English. We aren't talking a typo here. We are talking completely illiterate. Red flags abound.. BTW, there is no comparison at all to Skydash. The way Skydash wrote and the way this scammer wrote are 2 entirely different things. For all of those saying not to be skeptical go ahead and send some money to this person.

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Posted By: Dan McCarthy

Anyone who sends money to this person doesn't deserve to have it in the first place, in my opinion. Maybe I am an optimist but I have met enough stupid people and seen enough bizarre things happen that I don't immediately discount something as impossible. Implausible, yes, but not impossible.


However, now that I see how many "red flags" there are I suppose you are correct. I would just hate to see someone who was duped into buying them in the first place be accused of being a scammer.

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Posted By: barrysloate

The tip off to me is "I doubt they have any value." That is not an appropriate comment and raises a really high red flag.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Precisely Barry. This guy threw up so many red flags in his very first post it was laughable at that point.

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Posted By: Paul Moss

One could only see a comparable number of red flags at a Moscow May Day parade

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Posted By: frank jennings

Hey, Rick must have gotten lost on his way to office depot trying to find that "knew scanner".


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