Is the Nodgrass considered a legit variation?

[Jason]

I was just curious if this card is considered to be a legit variation?I see a few examples for sale with the flip indicating them as such.Its also listed on the VCP.However its not a required card on the Registries.I just wanted to see what the consensus on here is regarding the Nodgrass.Thanks for any info.Jason Wells

[E93]

It is a legit variation. I got one in a large lot of T206s where the "S" was handwritten in, apparently back in the day. The problem is that it is not difficult to fake.
JimB

[Howe’s Hunter]

There aren't really two versions of the card, just bad quality control. Not like Magie/Magee, but rather someone asleep at the press.

[t206hound]

My definition of a "variation" is based on intent. There was an intent to change the spelling of Magie, for example. The "Nodgrass" and "Dopner" are printing mishaps that were repeated during a print run and in no way intentional.

[frankbmd]

Nod sure, but tend to agree with the "Hound"

[danmckee]

It is actually very tough to fake. Legit Nodgrass variations will have a part of the right side of the S showing. If the entire S is missing, it is probably a George Hober creation. The legit variation may have been caused by a broken plate. Dan.

[Ladder7]

Dont know, I think it's a pissuh card to have. And regardless of the poll, someone will pay well for it and all the other T206 miscreants ie; miscuts, print errors, ghosts etc. I'm one of those fools

[benchod]

Well, it would appear that at least 4 people here own one

[iggyman]

No question about it.............definitely a big premium card .

Lovely day...

[drc]

The answer is: It is what is is.

Though, personally, I think it's a half s-ed card.

[iggyman]

For those that voted in favor of the nodgrass as a variation. What about the Shappe, Murr'y, and Lu.gren partial letter variations? Or is the partial letter insanity T206 meter "maxed out" at one?

Here is my lone example...

T206 Lundgren partial.jpg

Lovely day...

[drc]

It is a variation. The only question is it's collecting significance and $$ value.

Collectors sometimes pay a premium for variations that I would consider minor or even detracting defects-- ala the 1965 Topps Joe Namath 'butterfly' mark on hand. The orange background T206 Ty Cobbs are probably just printing defects, and some may value those higher than the reds. The ghost overprints are printing errors, though those aren't considered variations in the Nodgrass sense.

In short, collector sentiment is as important a factor as anything as far as the $$ goes.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by drc

In short, collector sentiment is as important a factor as anything as far as the $$ goes.

Agreed. And I do my part by refusing to pay more for a "nodgrass" than a "Snodgrass." The more T206 collectors who feel the way I do will drive the price down until it's a 1988 Topps Keith Comstock white lettering, or a 1990 Donruss reverse image Juan Gonzalez......

[danmckee]

You forgot the Dopner/Dorner which is commonly known

[danmckee]

I have owned 6 of them, I currently have 2, one is up on ebay and the one in my set I acquired back in the 1970s.

[Jason]

Good insight into how this card is viewed by the Collecting World all around.

[Ladder7]

As bad as it looks Iggy, it's a cremepuff compared to mine.

[fkw]

No
a Variation is man made,
ie Kleinow Boston/NY, or Magie/Magee

the (S)nodgrass is a just a hyped print flaw

[FrankWakefield]

I must _ay that I completely agree with FKW... what he just _aid.

[wonkaticket]

Just a print flaw there are tons of them. Now if I can just make them all pull the same amount of cash as "Nodgrass".