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Old 11-29-2019, 05:33 PM
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I know people post what if and what would you do threads on this site so here comes my first one .
Say you have $5000.00 dollars to spend . Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth at the appropriate PSA grade in buyable condition or a 1993 U D SP Derek Jeter graded at a PSA 9 ( this is based on pricing research ).
Since the Ruth card is 86 years old and one must assume that there won't be a major dumping of this card on the market and it's value has probably stabilized ( except for the PSA 8 thru 10s which will continue to rise ) versus the Jeter card which has risen rapidly in the PSA 9 & 10 grades but who knows how many will appear in the market after his election and what could happen to the PSA 9 & 10s value . Will the Jeter card in PSA 9 and 10 increase , stabilize , or drop in its value ?
I know one can't predict the future but this is a large forum with many people in many different geographical areas , backgrounds , and , of course , respected opinions .
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IMO, Babe Ruth vs. anyone else is a no brainer. Fifty years from now or 100 years from now, Ruth will still be the most famous name in sports. Go with Ruth.
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IMO, Babe Ruth vs. anyone else is a no brainer. Fifty years from now or 100 years from now, Ruth will still be the most famous name in sports. Go with Ruth.
Certainly Babe Ruth v. Derek Jeter is.

If the only question is which card will go up more, then really who on earth knows, it depends on future generations of collectors and whether they still want the prewar cards.

Maybe the best buy out there is a relatively hard to find Trout like the Diamond Update, given his upside to be one of the top handful of players ever.
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Certainly Babe Ruth v. Derek Jeter is.

If the only question is which card will go up more, then really who on earth knows, it depends on future generations of collectors and whether they still want the prewar cards.

Maybe the best buy out there is a relatively hard to find Trout like the Diamond Update, given his upside to be one of the top handful of players ever.
I completely understand what you are saying about the best buy possibly being an obscure Trout card. But maybe the best buy from a purely financial standpoint isn't even baseball. Ruth, Jeter and Trout aren't flying under anyone's radar.

I always like reading David Peck's posts on here about his Wrestling All-Stars collection and its explosion in value in recent years. Peck started scooping up those cards when they were worth virtually nothing, and a high-grade Hulk Hogan Wrestling All-Stars card could be had for $50. Who would have ever thought those cards would explode the way they have? I don't even understand what Magic the Gathering and Pokemon cards are, so I really don't get why some of them now sell for five figures at auction.
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I completely understand what you are saying about the best buy possibly being an obscure Trout card. But maybe the best buy from a purely financial standpoint isn't even baseball. Ruth, Jeter and Trout aren't flying under anyone's radar.

I always like reading David Peck's posts on here about his Wrestling All-Stars collection and its explosion in value in recent years. Peck started scooping up those cards when they were worth virtually nothing, and a high-grade Hulk Hogan Wrestling All-Stars card could be had for $50. Who would have ever thought those cards would explode the way they have?
Given the popularity among the general public of golf, the fact that Jack Nicklaus is the best golfer of all time by a near consensus, and the fact that he has only two issues that could be considered early cards, both of which are pretty hard to find especially the 1973 Panini -- I don't understand why those cards aren't worth a hell of a lot more.
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Given the popularity among the general public of golf, the fact that Jack Nicklaus is the best golfer of all time by a near consensus, and the fact that he has only two issues that could be considered early cards, both of which are pretty hard to find especially the 1973 Panini -- I don't understand why those cards aren't worth a hell of a lot more.
I never really thought about Nicklaus being undervalued, but that's because he hasn't been someone whose cards I have followed much. I know baseball will always be king when it comes to cards, but along your point about Nicklaus, I have always been amazed at how cheap Marilyn Monroe's cards are. Maybe that is because she has a ton of foreign issue cards, but her cards just seem so cheap for how iconic a name she is. She also has the intrigue of dying young. Her signed checks already sell for well into four figures.
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I'm with Eddie on this one. All things being equal, I would always go with the Ruth.

People think Jeter's HOF will boost his value, but anyone willing to spend $5K on this card (not me) already knows that. I don't see a big jump, short term or long term.

The big question, for me, would be the provenance of the card. Both are very "in demand" cards and susceptible to the trimming, etc. crap going on in our hobby.

No matter what you buy, do your homework on either of these. The very last thing you want is to drop that amount of money and later realize you've bought a trimmed/recolored/altered card.
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It's like the old Beckett days, red arrow signals sold prices have headed lower.

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Like a few other seasoned collectors mentioned there are a number of Jeter inserts and parallels that cost alot less and in a year or two in the right auction should do well. I am not 5k Jeter guy But I have been collecting Jeter since 95 and have a ton of cards for my personal collection. My rarest card is a 1998 topps test issue. Rare dose not always equal valuable. Last week I picked up a 2013 Heritage giant insert of Jeter that I have been looking for since it was issued.
Spend some time look at popular insert refractor or Parallel sets with a Jeter maybe even buy some raw and get them graded. Trust me it will be fun. And might just pay off.
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Ruth is timeless. Jeter is overrated as far as (future) Hall of Famers go. Ruth's card is virtually guaranteed not to go down, and will continue to appreciate in value. Can the same be said about Jeter's card? Nope.

I would buy the Ruth every day of the week, and twice on Sunday.
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I regret not buying the psa 10 Jeter sp...It was flying around the new for a grand...I was laughing way back then!!!


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If I had 5k to spend on a card I would buy back my Trout BC Auto 1st card that I let go for a third the price. Or a Shoeless Joe card.
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The jeter sp 10 is super rare, I’d go with a nice 7+


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Jeter is popular today, but what about in 40 years? Just my opinion but he'll never be on Ruth's level with people who didn't see him play. Even for the people who saw him play it's still hard to understand how he's achieved this status.

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Ruth was a singular and revolutionary figure in the early history of the game. Jeter even twice as good as he was would not come close to equaling that, so I’m not sure why the comparison there. The Jeter SP is a better investment in modern than the Trout Update, if for no other reason the overall production numbers and condition sensitivity of the card. But any SP Jeter that’s not a PSA 10 is going to pale in comparison to a mid-grade ‘33 Goudey Ruth. I think much of that is self evident, or at least should be.

On the other hand sorry, but for whoever compared Jeter to Rocky Colavito, that is asinine. Due respect to Rocky, but he’s not a Hall of Famer, much less the first Yankee with 3K hits who also happened to be a 14x All-Star, 5x World Champion, and world-renowned leader of his team.
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If you're investing in Trout it's gotta be the Bowman Rookie Auto and not the Update.

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On the other hand sorry, but for whoever compared Jeter to Rocky Colavito, that is asinine. Due respect to Rocky, but he’s not a Hall of Famer, much less the first Yankee with 3K hits who also happened to be a 14x All-Star, 5x World Champion, and world-renowned leader of his team.
Colavito was my Dad's generation. I never saw him play. My dad and his friends go on about the great Rocco Colavito and I suspect that's what's going to happen to Jeter. Jeter's not well known in East Texas right now as it is.

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Colavito .848 132
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Colavito was my Dad's generation. I never saw him play. My dad and his friends go on about the great Rocco Colavito and I suspect that's what's going to happen to Jeter. Jeter's not well known in East Texas right now as it is.



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Colavito .848 132

Jeter .817 115

Ruth 1.164 206


I do not mean to disparage Rocky Colavito. I know he’s a borderline HOF’er, and as a kid growing up in the 1980’s interested in baseball after he retired, I knew who he was.

The New York factor (which is not necessarily fair, but is a thing) aside - Jeter was a career .310 hitter with more than 3400 hits., ~70 career WAR. Colavito was a career .266 hitter with less than 1800 hits, 44 career WAR. I do not think they are in the same category.


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