What teams won the South Atlantic League in 1909,10, and 1911

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Posted By: Jim Manos

These were also the Series 1 in the T210's in 1910.Can anyone help. or let me know where to lot?? I have been searching Yahoo and have found nothing?? Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

In 1909, Augusta won the fist half, Chatanooga the second, and Chatanooga won the Championship playoff 4 games to 3. Gaskill of Chatanooga had 21 wins, Alcock, Chatanooga's third basman, hit .349. These numbers were 2nd in wins and average.

In 1910 Columbus edged out Macon by a game and a half. The season ended August 27th. Chatanooga wasn't in the league, their team had moved to the Southern League.

In 1911 Columbus won the first half, Columbia the second, and Columbus won the playoffs. The league had some problems, the Augusta team folded July 26th, the league took over operation of the team and they played as the "S.A.L."s. On August 29th a severe storm hammered Charleston, the team was put out of business, the franchise surrendered.

Hope that helps.

Frank.

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Posted By: John S

Frank,

Would you mind divulging your source(s)? I would be really interested to read about these teams being a former resident of Charleston.

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Posted By: Jim Manos

Any star players on the 1910 or 1911 Teams?? Also I would love to know were yopu got that info as well. Thank you in advance. Jim Manos

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

http://rs6.loc.gov/ammem/spaldinghtml/spaldinghome.html

Hope this helps!

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Posted By: martin dalziel

Jim,
I've got a group of large individual named Columbus player photos from the 1909 season, about 10 of them i think. Would be happy to share with you if it would help you identify the players. Columus had a few guys that went on to the major league, Ross Helm of T206 fame being the most prominant, but there are others also.
Shoot me an email if interested and i'll get some scans and info together.

One thing to add - i've been collecting images of early Columbus Ga teams and players, and i've not seen one where COLUMBUS was not evident on the uniforms - Helm has a C on his T206, but i've not found photos with Columbus in those uniforms. I'm intrigued to know what uniforms your photo has.

Martin

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I got that stuff out of the Spalding Baseball Record books for 1910, 1911, and 1912. There's a section on each league. The books usually list players' averages, fielding averages by postion, some pitchers, standings, and maybe a paragraph or two about the season. I like the red Record books better than the greenish Guides.

I'll look at the batters and pitchers names to see if any leap out at me as familiar names.

I keep slowly working on a book. It is about the T206 players. Not so much hard stats with numbers, but more about a few things they did, who they were. I've about settled on the title "Who Are These Guys?", inspiration for which came from that old movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Remember when they are being chased by the detectives across the plains... one turns to the other and asks "Who are those guys?" Guiheen, Portsmouth was one of my first T206 cards. When I got him, the guides didn't even list a first name for him. And you can't flip him over like a 1951 Bowman and read about him.... who the hell was he??? Well I've since found out a bit about him. Anyway, that is why I searched for those books. And a few that preceed them. It helps in understanding who's in T206. From today's perspective we wonder why Joe Jackson isn't in T206, and why Gavvy Cravath is. If we study the old record books from 1904 through 1912, we understand why Gavvy is definitely in, and Joe whoeverhewas is out.

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Posted By: John S

Thanks Frank...I too am extremely interested in the lesser known players from these cards. They must have been popular enough at one time to be included as a marketing tool for the smokes.