Another week, another fake T206 Wagner

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Posted By: David Smith

Here is the eBay item number: 150143032643.

For the new people to the board or new collectors of vintage cards, read the auction description and all the information the seller has about the card, especially the info about value. Then ask yourself WHY he hasn't had the card graded??

Don't you think even on the off hand chance the card is real the seller could come up with the cash to get the card graded?? I mean, he knows about the grading companies? Anyway, here is what I E mailed him. I can't wait to see the response (if any).


"Let me get this straight. You KNOW the best condition T206 Honus Wagner recently sold for over $2.3 million dollars. You also know there are about 60 in existence and even the POOR condition ones are worth a lot of money yet you DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET YOUR CARD GRADED??

I KNOW the reason you haven't got your card graded is because it is a reprint and not worth the listing fees you paid eBay to have this auction.

Kindly remove your card or at least say it is a reprint or put it in the category for reprints because ANYONE who knows T206's and especially Honus Wagner T206's will KNOW this card is a fake. So what YOU are trying to do is SCAM an unknowing person.

I am reporting this to eBay."

The one thing I HATE about this hobby/business is people who try to STEAL money from unknowing collectors. I hope there is a special section of HELL for greedy people who prey upon ignorant people.

Thanks for letting me rant. I will now get off of my soapbox.

David

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Posted By: DMcD

"I hope there is a special section of HELL for greedy people who prey upon ignorant people."
Right next to the chickenfighters.

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Posted By: Adam

I hope "youareascamartist" or "ibuyfakecards" is kind enough to bid on this card.

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Posted By: brian

i was just wondering, since no shipper will insure an item for more than $25,000, does that mean you would have to carry an item clear across the country personally to have it graded? there are a lot of people who won't send valuable cards in to grading companies because they are afraid they'll be lost or stolen, regardless of the security of registered mail, and regardless of whether or not they'll be reimbursed for the full insured value.

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Posted By: David Smith

eBay must have taken the other auction but this guy keeps trying. New number is 150143612754.

I love how he emphasizes this is "art" but keeps the auction info and grading companies in his description.

I have alerted eBay again.

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Posted By: David Smith

This is the sellers response:

"As regard to the Honus Wagner you needed to report - don't be a retard! Get your facts straight before going off the handle. I am in the process of loosing my home...car...and everything around me in the next 30 days. I pains me to sell off this card - as for sending it out because I THINK its fake - your wrong. I have taken it to many a card shop and nobody can tell me yes or no becaose of the back missing. Ebay contacted me and stated they cant stop me from selling ARTWORK as is listed in my description! So please - keep you unprofesional commnets and concerns to yourself and dont bid on it if you dont want it. Thats why this is an auction and not me at your door knocking to sell it to you.......think before you act!".

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Posted By: Rob Dewolf

Please note: ONLY bankwire transfer or cash will be accepted for this auction transaction.

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Posted By: David Smith

and shipping is $134 dollars.......

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Posted By: Cat

He says its "art" but has it listed in this category?

Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Cards > Baseball-MLB > Singles (Pre-1930) > Non-Graded > 1900-1909

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Posted By: J Levine

yet, he states he needs to sell card for financial reasons but just bought a $1200 motorcycle on ebay last month.

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

Just a note. You can insure registered mail for over $15 million.

Rick

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Posted By: brian

Rick, where did you hear that something could be insured for 15 million? I tried to insure a card purchased for $30,000 by a buyer and my postmaster said the max was $25,000. The below is from USPS website:

"When you’re sending valuable or irreplaceable items through the mail, protect them with Registered Mail™.

Items you send with Registered Mail are placed under tight security from the point of mailing to the point of delivery, and insured up to $25,000 against loss or damage."

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Posted By: Trae R.

Someone please post a direct link to this auction. For some reason I can't find it... the item number doesn't return anything for me.

Thanks

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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150143612754&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D 150143612754%26category0%3D%26fvi%3D1

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Posted By: rand

what do you mean the card is fake? the cardboard is real, the name on the card is real, the idiot seller is real...so it must be a great deal (for ebay's) profit on the listing fees.

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Posted By: Richard L.

Seller also has the Goudey Lajoie, and other rare ones get your snipes ready!

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOBACCO-CIGARETTE-RARE-1910-HONAS-WAGNER-TRADING-CARD_W0QQitemZ110151574658QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4120Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Richard L.

And yet another Wagner which the seller describes as "wicked solid"

http://cgi.ebay.com/Honus-Wagner-RN-Piedmont-Cigarette-Baseball-card-1381_W0QQitemZ120144213255QQihZ002QQcategoryZ636QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

Sorry Brian, you are correct. You may mail items with a declared value of several million dollars, but the insurance only covers the first $25,000. Sorry about the screw up.

Rick

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Posted By: brian

That's ok Rick. I was hoping to be wrong because once in a great while I sell something of really high value and dread shipping it with less insurance than it's worth.

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Posted By: Silver King

check out the feedback left by stew p d azzo (stupid *******)...

false feedback,never sold anything.offer retracted after finding reprint. BEWARE fourgirlsoneson ( 41) Jul-13-07 13:18
Reply by stew_p_dazzo (Jul-17-07 17:25):
Tries to rip off kids by selling counterfeit cards. I neg'd him, he retaliates.

Jack Johnson 1911 Turkey Red Incredible Condition (#290129234174) -- View Item
harassed bid-reniged b4 end of auction-never saw/touched or recv. item-block him micromos ( 268) May-04-07 18:38
Reply by stew_p_dazzo (May-05-07 16:30):
...RETALIATORY FEEDBACK... YOU SELL FAKES! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, A MEDAL?

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Posted By: Steve f

This guy (not a scammer) was all riled up at the number of hostile emails.

Seller; "I was unaware that this card is a reprint made of China, I don't collect...it was a gift so feel free to retract your offer unless you are collecting the China cards."



edit; added another prewar kneeslapper... I love this game

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110151625046&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us

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Posted By: dennis

"I HAVE HAD THIS ONE UNDER LOCK,AND KEY FOR OVER 20 YEARS."....he must have had it in his pocket while he was in jail the last 20 years!!!!

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Posted By: barrysloate

It would be funny if someone compiled a book of all of the creative and goofy descriptions these no-nothings have used to sell these blatant reprints. It would be sort of a "sayings for the john" kind of book.

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Posted By: Dave

I'm pretty sure this seller was selling weathered E90-1 reprints back in January. what a stroke of luck that he/she has discovered all these rare cards at once ....LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-General-Baking-Co-Honus-Wagner-D304_W0QQitemZ270147461537QQihZ017QQcategoryZ86841 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Jim VB

This seller has 8 or 9 "valuable" cards listed right now. (And all of them have "already been placed in a deluxe acrylic screw down holder.")

What more can you ask for?

At least they say in the ads that they are being sold as reprints.

Even so, some are going for $25-30 already.

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Posted By: david Poses

email i sent to seller:

i understand that you are not a not a baseball card dealer, but it is pretty remarkable that several people with extremely rare and valuable cards went to someone who is not a dealer to consign their cards. could you provide some information as to how and where the owners of these cards got them? i am assuming that the owners believe the cards are not reprints- as such, aren't they upset that they will not sell for nearly as much money in auction as if they were sold as originals? or do they believe the cards are reprints? if so, why not just list them as reprints without the qualification that you aren't a dealer, etc?
just curious.
thanks

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Posted By: Dave

Yes Jim I thought about the deluxe screwdown holder being worth more than the actual cards they are in.....I basically asked the seller the same query as Dave did, and got no response yet other than to wait until new pictures are put up. I really think this is the same seller who sold a slew of fake Goudeys and E90-1's back in January saying that he had found them in an estate lot of old baseball cards.
the sad thing is that these cards may sell for hundreds if not more dollars

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Posted By: Dave

LOL....someone on this board made offers on this guys cards, so they must be real !!

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Posted By: David G

UM...This clown needs to just stop. Trying to get it removed to help this poor bidder from a heart attack..

http://cgi.ebay.com/TOBACCO-CIGARETTE-RARE-1910-HONAS-WAGNER-TRADING-CARD_W0QQitemZ110151574658QQihZ001QQcategoryZ4120Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: dennis

bidder 1 has to be a shill and maybe so is bidder 2,or both are complete idiots!