baseball research question

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Posted By: john/z28jd

I have an autograph from about as obscure player as possible, Bud Heine,who played one game with the Giants in 1921,the last game of the season(october 2nd,2nd game of DH).I wrote the Hall of Fame research dept. asking some questions and they sent me a boxscore from the game from their library.According to their boxscore he had 1 assist and no putouts,but according to every internet source(retrosheet,baseball-reference,baseball-almanac) he had 2 assists and 1 putout.Anyone have a source for boxscores that disputes(or proves obviously) one of these sources.

I thinks its weird a guy who played 6 innings career either had his only boxscore wrong or forever has been wrong according to encyclopedias


Its interesting to see the boxscores from these games,Heine replaced Dave Bancroft in his only game in the 2nd game of a doubleheader.In the first game a guy named Hank Schreiber replaced Johnny Rawlings as a defensive replacement and made an error to lose a game.Shouldnt they have known a guy named Rawlings would one day have a gold glove award named after him!

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

They would almost certainly have the sports page for that day, maybe even for multiple newspapers.

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Posted By: Brad Green

John:

I can't help you with your research, but I do have two questions:

(1) Out of curiosity, how did Bud Heine do at the plate in his 6 innings of MLB?
(2) How did you come across an autograph of such an obscure player?

Brad

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Heine went 0-2 in his only game.He was only 20 years old at the time so im assuming he didnt think this would be his last and only game by a longshot

I got the autograph from a large collection belonging to a man who wrote former major leaguers for years.I dont know the exact number he had but it was well over 1000 different players.I bought them off of David Rudd who was kind enough to look for some of the more obscure players for me.

I also have Ty Pickup who went 1-1 in his only game for the Phillies back in 1915 and owns the highest career lifetime average.Art Merewether who was 0-1 career in 1 game as a PH for the Pirates in 1922(age 19).Lou Vedder who pitched 2 innings and retired all 6 batters he faced for the Tigers in 1920,his only game

The only scan i have is too big for the forum but if someone wants to see them email me.Heine was of particular interest to me because the Giants were World Champs that year

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Posted By: john/z28jd

Answer straight from the Hall of Fame which means the encyclopedia's(and online sites)have been wrong for poor Bud Heine.If i ever make a baseball movie im going to use him in it.Heres the response......


John,

The box score that we sent to you is from the League Official Averages, otherwise known as the "Day by Days". These "Day by days" were calculated by ICI (Information Concept International) in 1969 by looking at previous newspaper publications. I do not know what sources the online sites you mentioned used to calculate their statistics, but the League Official Averages are recognized as being an authoritative source. You may want to try emailing the online sites that you have found his statistics at and tell them about this information and/or ask them what sources they used to calculate his statistics. I hope this information helps you and please contact us again if you have further questions.

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Posted By: Max Weder

John

A search of the Proquest database of newspapers (available with membership in http://www.sabr.org>) doesn't show any hits for Heine (other than Heine Groh) around that time. The searchable newspapers include the NY Times and the Chicago Tribune

Have you posted the question to the Retrosheet Yahoo Groups? Perhaps they might have an answer for you. You can join at http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/RetroList>/ or email Dave Smith at dwsmith@retrosheet.org


Max

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

the Sporting News boxscore for the game, I see it shows Heinie with one assist and no putouts.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

with Clyde Klutz, Magic Johnson, etc.