Is T-209 the new hot set?

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Posted By: Michael Peich

With prices for T-210s on the rise, I guess it wasn't long before T-209s followed. But, $710 for Irving? And Scott Brockelman didn't buy it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5231877136

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Posted By: David Vargha

Based on the bidding pattern, it simply looks like two people "had to have it". I seriously doubt that any minor league set is the next big ("hot") issue. There just isn't broad enough appeal to the masses to fuel such a run IMO.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Two people WERE willing to bid over $700 for the card, which is pretty amazing.

The third-high bidder was at $76, which is actually pretty remarkable too for a card in this condition. Forget about $700: even at $75 per beat-up common, T209 certainly appears to me to be a "hot set." The days of buyin' em for $10-15 are over.

We're seeing something similar with T210, clearly. Soon it may be only the commonest pre-WW1 sets that AREN'T "hot".

Tim

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Posted By: dennis

hot is 33 goudey and t206. lots of collectors of those in all grades.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Popular and hot are not the same thing. T206s and 33Gs are always popular, but they are far from hot. I've sold several 33Gs recently and the bidding and prices realized are anything but hot. I'd same more like downright cold, unless it is high grade, slabbed cards.

Hot is cards like t210, e-cards, t209, etc that show continued, rapid price rises and demand for the cards. You don't see this with t206s or 33Gs.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: tbob

I agree with Jay, T206 is the most popular but definitely not hot. Bargains are still there all the time if you look.
Can someone explain to me why Irving would draw so much attention and cost over $700, especially in that kind of shape? Is it rare within the set? My 2 cents is that the T209s were very affordable until sellers started dumping the series 1 color cards on ebay and getting high prices, they just seemed to pull the black and whites up with them, although not nearly as high.

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Posted By: tobacco-r-us

As far as I'm concerned.

You're not beat up.
You're not common.
You're not Hot or Cold -- you're just right.
In fact, you're in great shape for your age.
Above all, you fill a slot and I love you for that.

What's that Irv?
Why are these vintage collectors asking those questions, is that what you said?

Well Irv, I suppose if SOME of these collectors read Lew Lipsets books instead of the Wall Street Journal, they wouldn't be asking those questions.

Another thing Irv, have you noticed that Keith O, Scott B, Jay Miller and a few others haven't jumped in with some answers.
Why should they, I don't blame them.
As you can see, the only interested here is what's hot, and what's cold anyway.

Come along Irv, you have to fill the slot in your set, just like Doyle does in his set - and I love you for that.

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Posted By: tobacco-r-us

I got home about 7PM Friday 9th Sept.
Picked up my mail, and found a pink slip from the USPS saying "Hey, you weren't here, so you're going to have to pass by the Post Office and pick up Irving tomorrow."
I said to myself, "Now this is the kind of fast transactions I like."

Sat. 10th Sept comes around, and I get myself ready to go to the Post Office before they close.
My turn comes up, and I step up to the counter with a smile om my face, my pink slip along with my drivers picture ID.
The gentleman checked my ID, took my pink slip and went to somewhere in the back.

At first, I thought that he had decided to take his last break.
Then I thought that maybe he had quit.
But the worst scenario was beginning to sink in.
He's having trouble finding Irving.

That was verified when he finally came back with no package, and a white piece of paper that had something printed on it.
When he asked me for my phone number, that's when I knew that there was going to be trouble, right here in River City.
The gentleman was very nice, and I know that he didn't have an answer at the moment, I gave him my phone number.

Needless to say, although I was still smiling, my spirits were very low - as I watched Irving riding out into the sunset.
His supervisor happened to walk by, and he called her for me.
She was very pleasant, we went to a corner and we had a very pleasant chat.
It was around 12:30pm, she told me that they will continue the search and also try to find out who the delivery person might have been - in any case, she will call me one way or the other.
I went back home, and at 5;39PM - she called.

"Irving has been found, and he wants to come home to fill that slot."

There is a Card God. ...

Joe

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Posted By: Scot

Great card and congratulations! The post office lost my collection of eighteen - 1914 T213 Coupon backs about 5 years ago. They were never recovered. I was paid off by the post office but, it still stung. Registered USPS Mail is the only way to go (from then on).

[Potomac Yank]

It's been almost four years since I've added a card to the T209 type II set.
The Irving card was the 219th card added to my set. ... I'm still hopeful.
Vintage set collectors will understand ... others will not.

What's over the next hill?

[canjond]

Ok - I'm going to bite... what's up with Irv in the set? Joe, fill me in!

[Potomac Yank]

Hello Jon,
I wish life was as easy as this.

Let's talk Pack Talk.
Let's say that you've been collecting packs since the 1980's.
You've been to all the big shows from coast to coast.
Talked to dealers from coast to coast.
Done the early write in auctions, phone auctions, and the in person auctions.
eBay comes into play in the late 1990's ... and still no sight of The No Seeum cigarette pack.

Then in 2005 it happens ... the elusive No Seeum cigarette pack is up for auction.

Let's fast forward to the instant replay of the Contentnea type II Irving card.

It just happened that the under bidder had just found out my want list for the T209 type II set.
It was an unintentional goof by a friend. ... Thus the high numbers.

The understanding of the insanity of the high numbers, can only be understood by a vintage set collector, or an equally unbalance pack collector.

Stay well,
Joe

[fkw]

funny this post is 4 years old.... I was going to answer and say they were really hot about 4 years ago when they were often on eBay selling for good $$$ (The B&W ones).

They were really hot then, dont know about now though

[Potomac Yank]

You're right!

There's been a change from then, and now.

If the Investor/flippers don't play their bids right, they can easily become collectors.

Collectors are still the same ... totally insane, and they don't mind enrolling new collectors to the fold ... especially investor/flippers.

Aloha

[illini805]

Curious to see how they are doing a year from now. I don't see them as the next big thing.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by illini805

Curious to see how they are doing a year from now. I don't see them as the next big thing.

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That's the difference between an investor/flipper, and a collector.
I/F's look at cards as a stock in their portfolio.
Collectors look at cards as a missing piece to fill an empty slot in a set.
They don't give a rats @ss if the set is popular, or not.
They like the cards for a totally different reason than an investor.
They try to keep it as a sublimation ... not that there's anything wrong with investing.

Frankly speaking, I would prefer that any set that I'm interested in, be unpopular with the investors.

[oldjudge]

T209-2 is a great set with some real rarities and Joe is, as far as I am concerned, the number one guy for this set. From my limited experience I would characterize it as a set that is easy to make progress in, up to a point, but virtually impossible to finish. Is it popular? I guess as popular as a minor league set can be, which is not very. It is for the die hard collectors, not for the slabbers--not many PSA 9's floating around.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

T209-2 is a great set with some real rarities and Joe is, as far as I am concerned, the number one guy for this set. From my limited experience I would characterize it as a set that is easy to make progress in, up to a point, but virtually impossible to finish. Is it popular? I guess as popular as a minor league set can be, which is not very. It is for the die hard collectors, not for the slabbers--not many PSA 9's floating around.

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Jay, It's always good to see the guy from Da Bronx around.

Jay M:
"From my limited experience"

After looking at your Moses Fleetwood Walker Cabinet ... Jay, there's nothing limited about your experience.

How's your T209 set coming along?

What's a PSA 9???

[oldjudge]

Hi Joe! Hope all is well. No progress since last summer when Scott helped me fill a few holes. Glad to say Irv was one of those.

[Potomac Yank]

Glad to hear about the Irv.

Like I've always said ... when it comes to cards ... It's the luck of the draw.

You probably got it at a decent price.

[Potomac Yank]

Jon, you asked a valid question, and I gave you a factual answer rapped around Pack Talk about that particular auction.

A non response tells me.

1. I was not clear enough.

2. The question was not a serious one.

3. Being candid, or straight forward in a forum, is a waste of time.