T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

[DeanH3]

Figured we needed a Tolstoi Matty posted. Always wondered why they made Tolstoi and Piedmont so similar in design.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Figured we needed a Tolstoi Matty posted. Always wondered why they made Tolstoi and Piedmont so similar in design.

Good question, Dean.

The TOLSTOI brand was an early entry when the print runs of the 350 series subjects began.
My guess is the same artist that designed the PIEDMONT backs also did the TOLSTOI back.









TED Z

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[tedzan]

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.... Sweet Caporal .... Sovereign .......... Piedmont____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards__American Beauty ... Sovereign .......... UZIT


I'm celebrating my 40th year since I read Bill Heitman's T206 book titled "THE MONSTER".....that started me on this glorious adventure which has become an obsession.

But, "obsessions" can be a good thing. Especially, when I think of all the great friends I have met all these years in this great hobby Talkin' T206's (and, N162's, T205's,
E90's, 1910 COUPON's, GOUDEY's, DIAMOND STARS, PLAY BALL's, LEAF's, BOWMAN's, TOPPS).

I would like to express my sincerest appreciation to all of you on this forum. And to all of the collectors and dealers (many of whom have become life-long friends) which
I have met since my first Willow Grove Show in March 1981.

This forthcoming weekend marks my 100+ Philly Show in which I will be set-up at. Looking forward to seeing some of you (booth # 412).


TED Z
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[tedzan]

A good number of Net54er's dropped over to visit with Dan and me this past weekend at the Philly Show. We had a great time talking BB and BB cards with them.
Made some nice deals (selling & trading). Many of them traveled a good distance (Boston, New York State, North Carolina, Virginia, etc.) despite the snow & rain.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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The CYCLE 460 cards depict players in the 350/460 series and the 460-only series, which comprise a total of 109 subjects. These cards were issued circa Fall/Winter 1910.
The CYCLE 460 cards were not equally printed. There are some considerably more difficult to find than others. I'll post a breakdown of the tougher ones vs the easier ones in
a forthcoming post. I have to do some searching for all my data on the relative scarcity of these T206's with CYCLE 460 backs.

If I recall correctly, Lee Behrens has completed this 109 card sub-set. I'm curious if anyone else on this forum has completed (or near to completing) the CYCLE 460 sub-set ?

In any event, let's have a show-n-tell of your CYCLE 460 cards. CYCLE 460 cards do not get the recognition that most tougher T206 backs do; nonetheless, they can be scarce.




350/460 Series....................63 subjects

Ames (hands over head)
Baker
Bender (no trees)
Berger
Bradley (bat)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Burch (fielding)
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase (blue portrait)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (red portrait)
Cobb (bat off)
Conroy (bat)
Crawford (bat)
Davis (A's)
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (batting)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Downey (batting)
L. Doyle (bat)

Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (two hands)
Johnson (hands at chest)
Jordan (batting)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
Lajoie (bat)
Lake (no ball)
Leach (cap)
Leifield (bat)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
McQuillan (bat)
Mullin (bat)

Murphy (bat)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Overall (yellow sky)
Pelty (vertical)
Pfeister (throwing)
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing)
F. Smith (Chicago & Boston)
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Tinker (bat off shoulder)
Wagner (bat on right)
Doc White (pitching)
Wilhelm (bat)
Willetts
Willis (bat)

Willis (throwing)
Wiltse (pitching)
CYoung (glove)



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460-only Series....................46 confirmed cards

Abbaticcio (blue sleeve)
Ball (Cleveland)
Bell (follow thru)
Bergen (catching)
Bescher (arms over head)
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
Camnitz (arms up)
Camnitz (arms over head)
Chance (batting)
Chase (trophy)
Crandall (cap)
Devore
Doyle (portrait)
Duffy
Ford
Frill
Gandil
Geyer
Herzog (Boston)
Howell (hands at waist)

Hummel
Lake (ball-St Louis)
Latham
Marquard (follow thru)
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove at hip)
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers (portrait)
Murray (portrait)
Needham
Oldring (batting)
Overall (blue sky)
Payne
Pfeffer
Schaefer (Washington)
Schlei (portrait)
Schlei (batting)
Schulte (back view)
Seymour (portrait)
Sheckard (glove)

Smith (Brooklyn)
Stovall (bat)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (bat on shoulder)
Wheat
Wiltse (portrait-cap)


TED Z
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[tedzan]

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As noted in my last post, certain T206's with CYCLE 460 backs are much tougher to find than others. In my opinion, CYCLE 460 cards should be ranked scarcer than they are.

For example....Russ Ford is a subject in the Exclusive 12 ** group. This group of T206's are easier to find with red HINDU backs than with the CYCLE 460 backs. I have been
doing a run on each of these 12 guys. Trust me, their CYCLE 460 cards are very tough. The UZIT cards of the Exclusive 12 subjects are almost impossible to find. The CYCLE
460 cards are not that scarce; however, they are a very real challenge.
My McGraw CYCLE 460 (see post #624) is a fairly nice-looking card. This Russ Ford is a rough one, but I am happy to get these CYCLE's any way I can find them.

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** See Post #35 in this thread for more info regarding the Exclusive 12 group.


TED Z
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[t206kid]

Ted,

Love this post about one of my favorite backs. I agree that it's undervalued and underappreciated. Here are my 3 favorite Cycle 460s!

[Rhotchkiss]

The Cycle 460 is very underrated difficult; like this Lajoie, which is downright impossible.