TRADEMARK or No TRADEMARK, that is the N162 question ?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The Goodwin Champions (N162) cards were printed in Philadelphia by the George S. Harris & Sons
Lithographic Co. Some N162 cards are found with this printer's Trademark........

"Geo. S. Harris & Sons, Lith. Phila."

......printed on their backs in very fine lettering at the bottom. But, the majority of cards do NOT
have this Trademark. My experience with completing almost four N162 sets (of 50 cards each) is
that only 10-20% of the N162 backs have this Trademark.

Yet, in a current major auction, an N162 set without the Trademark line is being advertised as
"the rare version".....I don't think so......but, let's get some other opinions.

How about it, all you smart N162 collectors, chime in with your observations as to whether the
Trademark or No Trademark cards are more available ?



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T-Rex TED

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

do you have a business card with a T-rex with a baseball in his mouth by chance?

BcD

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

No....but, I have a huge T-Rex cardboard figure with him chewing up graded BB cards.



T-Rex TED

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Posted By: leon

From the ones I can remember seeing I would also say the trademarked ones are more scarce. My lone type is Kelly and it does not have the trademark....however, I would be surprised if the scarcer trademarked ones would bring more than a tiny bit more in auction....just my opinion....good observation though

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Posted By: Glenn Mechanick

Ted,

I reviewed my set and have concluded that only 18 of 50 have the trademark. I specifically see 18; however, there are potentially 3 others that have back damage of what may have included a trademark?

I agree with Leon that, regardless, it probably does not make much difference in the value.

Glenn Mechanick

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Both of you appear to be in agreement with my observation regarding the the infrequently seen Trademark
on the backs of the N162 cards.

And, I agree with both you that the Trademark doesn't really affect the value of these cards.

That being said.....can anyone explain the apparent contradiction in Lot #1 in the current Mastro auction
regarding this subject ?

TED Z

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Posted By: brian p

My guess is hype--trying to make something special that hasn't viewed as special before, and just guessing at the correctness of the statement. Check out the D310 description of lot 836--contrary to what it says, there have been one, possibly two auction lots in the last ten years that had more D310's.

Brian

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Posted By: Jay

I have 7 N162's and four have no copyrights

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Having seen 200+ N162 cards, and I've recorded the ones with the Harris Litho. trademark vs the N162's
without it....there is 1 for every 4 (respectively). Or, approx. 20% of the total with the Trademark (TM).

If one considers the current ebay listing of N162's as representative of this, then 3 (Andrews, Keefe,
and Kelly) have the TM out of a total of 12 cards.....or, 25% with TM..

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Here is a close-up of the the TRADEMARK line.





How about some more inputs on this subject ?


TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Two Net54 readers have responded with their inputs on this TRADEMARK subject.

1st.....has a complete set of 50, which includes 10 cards with the TM....20%

2nd.....has a near set of 41, which includes 6 cards with the TM....14.9%


More inputs are appreciated.


TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Several more Net54 readers have emailed me regarding their N162 collections. The total number
of N162 cards in these collections is 84....their back info is:

No TM = 70

TM = 14


TED Z

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Posted By: Anonymous

Ted - interesting finding. Have you been able to determine if all subjects are available with both options? Alternatively, perhaps on initial release there was a smaller group that had/lacked the trademark, and then was added in as part of a larger release that had the opposite?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

MATT

I'm still conducting that study. So far, at least 1/2 (25 subjects) of the N162's have the TM. Including 5 of the 8 BB players.

Thanks for your very good question.

TED Z

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Posted By: BcD

http://www.t207.com/n162.shtml




BcD

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Posted By: Fred C

JMHO - if there is a huge difference in population between trademarked and non-trademarked cards then you might expect there to be a premium on the trademarked cards. The premium might not be in the low perentage range.