Hey, pennant guys

[Duluth Eskimo]

Rob hit the nail on the head. Clearly different font and “aged” fabric. Others may disagree and I’m not afraid to be wrong. I have been surprised before by what people have convinced themselves is authentic.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I have another update of the Pennant catalog here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBP...ew?usp=sharing

A big thanks to Kyle, Rob, Rob, Michael and Erik for their help (photos, info, etc.)

If anyone has updates that they'd like me to include, please let me know.

Because we all love stats...

• 751 pennants catalogued
• All have unique catalog references
• 51.64% have manufacturers identified
• 8% have rarity assessed

The current Top 10 by "team" as follows:

127 Giants
90 Dodgers
63 Cubs
43 Yankees
37 Tigers
26 World Series
25 Phillies
23 All-Star Game
22 Houston
21 Reds

Hey Gary...

I have at least 60 pennants that are not appearing on your spreadsheet. I don't have time to upload/post them all here. But if you can PM me your email address, I can shoot the images over to you. Once I am able get into my bins, there may be another 60. But that's for a later day...

Thanks,
Mark

[bocca001]

I'd like to peek into Mark's bins.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

You think it came with the "ATH"?

Ahhhh. City pennant becomes baseball pennant.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Gary,
I took a look at your catalog. Nice work. My tech skills are non existent, but that must have taken a long time to put together. Like Mark, I have a number of pennants I could try to photo for you. I just don’t know the easiest way to get the photos to you. Very nice work putting that together.

[Tigerden]

One of my favorites from my collection. Does anyone know the best way to handle these when shipping to an auction house? I am thinking about consigning some of my better ones but most are matted and framed and under glass. This one and a few generic pennants I'll keep for the game room. My dilemma, for lack of a better word, is it seems I am the only one that appreciates the pennants and the little ones feel restricted in an area they want to be able to play in. Is it a game room (a place to have fun) or Dad's baseball museum (no ball playing allowed!).

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Hey Gary...

I have at least 60 pennants that are not appearing on your spreadsheet. I don't have time to upload/post them all here. But if you can PM me your email address, I can shoot the images over to you. Once I am able get into my bins, there may be another 60. But that's for a later day...

Thanks,
Mark

Thanks Mark. I've send you and Jason a PM. Any photos or other info that you can share would be gratefully received.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Tigerden

One of my favorites from my collection. Does anyone know the best way to handle these when shipping to an auction house? I am thinking about consigning some of my better ones but most are matted and framed and under glass. This one and a few generic pennants I'll keep for the game room. My dilemma, for lack of a better word, is it seems I am the only one that appreciates the pennants and the little ones feel restricted in an area they want to be able to play in. Is it a game room (a place to have fun) or Dad's baseball museum (no ball playing allowed!).

Magnificent Tigers pennant Adam! There's one you never see...

I would not ship them framed. The glass could break, and it would cost a fortune to ship. I would remove them from the frames and ship them one of two ways....

1. Flat, within a plastic sleeve and sandwiched between rigid cardboard

2. Loosely curved around the inner perimeter of a large box with peanuts or bubble wrap in the center for support.

I would not roll them too tightly, as the painted graphics can crack if bent too severely. Hope this helps and best of luck!

[thetahat]

I may be repeating myself, but Al Lopez wants his train back ...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/27481373674...ebjFl&LH_BIN=1

[UKCardGuy]

A few recent purchases arrived today. I was really pleased with the condition of these

Pennant Catalog References are:

• NYG0038-TREN
• WSRS019-TREN
• DTTG039-TBC
• DTTG040-TBC

[ooo-ribay]

Do this guy's pennants look good to you guys?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/whe7112nlf/...p2047675.l2562

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Do this guy's pennants look good to you guys?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/whe7112nlf/...p2047675.l2562

They look fine to me. I've bought from him before. Not sure what, but ebay says "A seller you bought from" when I look at his items. What are you seeing that makes you ask?

[Tigerden]

Many thanks Mark for the advice!!!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

They look fine to me. I've bought from him before. Not sure what, but ebay says "A seller you bought from" when I look at his items. What are you seeing that makes you ask?

Nothing, really. I’m considering that crappy 1936 Giants pennant but it is pretty lacking in the EYE APPEAL I don’t know that I’ve seen that particular graphic before.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Nothing, really. I’m considering that crappy 1936 Giants pennant but it is pretty lacking in the EYE APPEAL I don’t know that I’ve seen that particular graphic before.

Has that one been on the Bay for a while? I feel like I've seen it on there for a few weeks. It's not that crappy, especially if you can score it for under $100.

I'd much rather pay $100 for the Giants than $524.64 plus $25 shipping for this one...

https://ebay.us/qS2s1M

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Do this guy's pennants look good to you guys?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/whe7112nlf/...p2047675.l2562

Everything I see there looks legit. Even with it's flaws, the Giants would be a very good deal at that price. I am guessing it exceeds $100 when all is said and done.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Has that one been on the Bay for a while? I feel like I've seen it on there for a few weeks. It's not that crappy, especially if you can score it for under $100.

I'd much rather pay $100 for the Giants than $524.64 plus $25 shipping for this one...

https://ebay.us/qS2s1M

Here are a few great deals to compliment that one...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16333780120...YAAOSwTztb05qh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37253694334...AAAOSwg-tcFYVS

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40268205594...kAAOSw0wxgIGex

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13358921027...MAAOSwGJxfwEVO

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22202575034...YAAOSwx-9WwyZG

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13373319099...oAAOSwtG1gczk3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37233044731...8AAOSwvDpbHG4S

As a frame of reference, I bought that last one (Orioles) NRMT for under $50 not too long ago. There are many other examples, but don't want to risk offending any pennant sellers who might dwell here.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Here are a few great deals to compliment that one...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16333780120...YAAOSwTztb05qh

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37253694334...AAAOSwg-tcFYVS

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40268205594...kAAOSw0wxgIGex

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13358921027...MAAOSwGJxfwEVO

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22202575034...YAAOSwx-9WwyZG

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13373319099...oAAOSwtG1gczk3

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37233044731...8AAOSwvDpbHG4S

As a frame of reference, I bought that last one (Orioles) NRMT for under $50 not too long ago. There are many other examples, but don't want to risk offending any pennant sellers who might dwell here.

Darby-S is one of several "HOF-great" curators of the eBay pennant museum. I think he's broken his own records for "longest a pennant has been listed on ebay" several times...and his 1958 Championship Game Colts pennant might be the record holder. I believe that one sets a new record with each passing second.

Edit: And I don't mind saying it because he blocked me for pointing that out (in reference to the Colts pennant) about 5 years ago.

[Fballguy]

Here's one you don't see every day. You have to love a pennant that's offensive to multiple demographics simultaneously (allegedly).

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Here's one you don't see every day. You have to love a pennant that's offensive to multiple demographics simultaneously (allegedly).

Wow... forget about Voter ID requirement. That pennant may be the real reason Manfred moved the All Star Game out of Atlanta.

[ooo-ribay]

Thanks for the opinions and laughs, Mark and Rob.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I have another update of the Pennant catalog here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBP...ew?usp=sharing

A big thanks to Kyle, Rob, Rob, Michael and Erik for their help (photos, info, etc.)

If anyone has updates that they'd like me to include, please let me know.

Because we all love stats...

• 751 pennants catalogued
• All have unique catalog references
• 51.64% have manufacturers identified
• 8% have rarity assessed

The current Top 10 by "team" as follows:

127 Giants
90 Dodgers
63 Cubs
43 Yankees
37 Tigers
26 World Series
25 Phillies
23 All-Star Game
22 Houston
21 Reds

Be careful what you ask for....

If Gary's email has a data storage limit, it has just been exceeded. Pics sent, and it felt like more than double the 60 that I guessed at earlier.

Gary, please just confirm they came through ok... Thanks

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Be careful what you ask for....

If Gary's email has a data storage limit, it has just been exceeded. Pics sent, and it felt like more than double the 60 that I guessed at earlier.

Gary, please just confirm they came through ok... Thanks

Yep, I've received them. Many thanks for sending them. Don't worry about breaking my email account, I have plenty of space :-)

I'll have another version of the catalog out this weekend including your updates.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Yep, I've received them. Many thanks for sending them. Don't worry about breaking my email account, I have plenty of space :-)

I'll have another version of the catalog out this weekend including your updates.

I’m waiting until it’s “done” before I download it again.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

127 Giants
90 Dodgers

What inning is it anyway? Can the Dodgers rally?

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

What inning is it anyway? Can the Dodgers rally?

We've just finished the bottom of the 5th Inning and the Dodgers have pulled ahead. The new league table is as follows:

182 Dodgers
157 Giants
69 Cubs
69 Tigers
50 Yankees
37 Reds
37 Indians
34 World Series
29 All-Star Game
26 Phillies

The new catalog is available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zDM...ew?usp=sharing

We're now at 999 entries. 47% have manufacturer identified.

I really need insight into the relative rarity of the pennants though. If you have insight about it, please let me know.

This is the rarity scale that I'm using at the moment (though I'm open to suggestions):

• 10-Extremely Rare (Only 1 or 2 known to exist)
• 9-Extremely Rare (1 available every 5 years or more)
• 8-Very Rare (1 available every 3 years)
• 7-Rare (1 available each year)
• 6-Rare (2-5 available per year)
• 5-Somewhat Rare (10 available per year)
• 4-Somewhat Rare (1 available each month)
• 3-Common (2 or more available each month)
• 2-Common (5 or more available each month)
• 1-Very Common (Readily available)

[UKCardGuy]

Thanks to a bunch of contributions in the last 24 hours, I have another version available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MI0...ew?usp=sharing

The total number of pennants in the catalog is 994 (a few dupes were removed).

63% have the manufacturer identified.
35% of the pennants have scarcity identified.

Please let me know if I've missed anything or made any errors.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks to a bunch of contributions in the last 24 hours, I have another version available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MI0...ew?usp=sharing

The total number of pennants in the catalog is 994 (a few dupes were removed).

63% have the manufacturer identified.
35% of the pennants have scarcity identified.

Please let me know if I've missed anything or made any errors.

Looking pretty good. But noticed something in need of correction....

Cubs Oversized Teens Pennant # CHC8073TBC definitely needs to be "10" in scarcity (not "8").

Thanks

[thetahat]

I hope this link works ... I have twelve 1969 Mets pennants. There may be more. All of these are made of cloth. Top six are Trench, five are ASCO and the last (with the weird orange crown covering "Eastern Division") is that unknown NY company.

I think I may have seen a couple of knock-off types on stiff felt. If there are others on cloth, let me know ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PdfuzDH8f98ZTgw8

EDIT: I guess logically there must be at least one more, the last one without the crown ....

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I hope this link works ... I have twelve 1969 Mets pennants. There may be more. All of these are made of cloth. Top six are Trench, five are ASCO and the last (with the weird orange crown covering "Eastern Division") is that unknown NY company.

I think I may have seen a couple of knock-off types on stiff felt. If there are others on cloth, let me know ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PdfuzDH8f98ZTgw8

EDIT: I guess logically there must be at least one more, the last one without the crown ....

All very cool!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I hope this link works ... I have twelve 1969 Mets pennants. There may be more. All of these are made of cloth. Top six are Trench, five are ASCO and the last (with the weird orange crown covering "Eastern Division") is that unknown NY company.

I think I may have seen a couple of knock-off types on stiff felt. If there are others on cloth, let me know ...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8PdfuzDH8f98ZTgw8

EDIT: I guess logically there must be at least one more, the last one without the crown ....

Cool pennants. I've added them to the catalog.

[bocca001]

This one arrived today. This is the less common left-handed batter pennant for the Giants, and I've never seen it unpainted. The hat and socks are usually painted bright pink, and sometimes the face and arms are painted too (skin color). This one is cloth and otherwise pristine (no fading to the cloth), which makes me think it might just be uncolored (other than his shoes).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Cool pennants. I've added them to the catalog.

Gary - I think you are still missing some SF Giants pennants...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

[perezfan]

Would it be an understatement to say Rob is a "completionist"?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This one arrived today. This is the less common left-handed batter pennant for the Giants, and I've never seen it unpainted. The hat and socks are usually painted bright pink, and sometimes the face and arms are painted too (skin color). This one is cloth and otherwise pristine (no fading to the cloth), which makes me think it might just be uncolored (other than his shoes).

Beautiful pennant Marc ... batter graphic is really cool and not the slightest hint of fading.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Would it be an understatement to say Rob is a "completionist"?

If you’re talking about me, I’m really not. I don’t go after all the body and/or spine colors.

[murphusa]

Does anyone have a picture of a real Satchel Paige Monarchs Pennant. I need a better picture than what is in Mike's book

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Gary - I think you are still missing some SF Giants pennants...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VTWwsCGCUcnhRKy28

Thanks Rob. I've reviewed these and added the missing ones.

I'll have another update in a few days that'll include these.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by murphusa

Does anyone have a picture of a real Satchel Paige Monarchs Pennant. I need a better picture than what is in Mike's book

Mastro had a nice one, but unfortunately their archives are no longer accessible. I'll poke around...

[thetahat]

Though I’m still sticking pretty much to baseball I do want to “complete a set” of Trench AFLs with the league trademark in nice condition. Still looking for the elusive Titans. But I’m jazzed to have picked this up, it has retained its colors and is nearly mint. Though if PSA ever started slabbing pennants it would get docked for the crooked spine .... interestingly their ASGs normally would get 25-40K fans but this game had the second lowest attendance at just under 19.

[thetahat]

Is it ... this?

[murphusa]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Is it ... this?

Yes that is the one but without the signatures. I thought it to be a repo
AnD now it looks like it was

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by murphusa

Yes that is the one but without the signatures. I thought it to be a repo
AnD now it looks like it was

I’m on the fence as far as this being a repro. If not for the spine and lack of tassels I’d say yes ....

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I’m on the fence as far as this being a repro. If not for the spine and lack of tassels I’d say yes ....

I found a good photo of the Satchel Paige Pennant online here: https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...ent=2019-11-08

I've allocated it catalog reference KCMN001-TBC

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I found a good photo of the Satchel Paige Pennant online here: https://huntauctions.com/live/imagev...ent=2019-11-08

I've allocated it catalog reference KCMN001-TBC

FWIW, that one and the one Greg showed are slightly different.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

FWIW, that one and the one Greg showed are slightly different.

Yep now I see it, that first one is a repro ..

[bocca001]

Thanks to Fballguy for making this 49ers pennant (in Rams colors) available to me. It's in really great shape.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Thanks to Fballguy for making this 49ers pennant (in Rams colors) available to me. It's in really great shape.

That’s crazy. Do you have one in a more appropriate color scheme?

[ooo-ribay]

BTW, I got that crappy 1936 NY Giants pennant but it’s been traveling around Rochester NY for the past four days. Arrive, depart, arrive, depart, etc.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s crazy. Do you have one in a more appropriate color scheme?

Yes...He's got one in the most appropriate color for the stinking Niners...BROWN.

In all seriousness...This one really is beautiful and while it was hard to say good bye, it does feel good to know you're putting it where it belongs. Enjoy!