Fantasy pennant correct?

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Posted By: Mike H

This is certainly a modern fantasy pennant...right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Chicago-White-Sox-Pennant-with-Painted-Figure_W0QQitemZ200177692876QQihZ010QQcategoryZ501 28QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I've never seen it before, but why do you suspect it is not period?

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Posted By: Mike H

Made too precisely with straight lines etc. Here is another similar piece. This one discloses the manufacturer that is in business in Wisconsin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Detroit-Tigers-Pennant-Leather-Tiger-Applique_W0QQitemZ200178434826QQihZ010QQcategoryZ2 5136QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>

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Posted By: dennis

mike i have the same feeling about this one as you,a fantasy piece.just does not have that vintage look,imo. but i could be wrong. the second link is not working for me so i can't compare,can you list the item # ?

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Posted By: Mike H

Here it is. Same seller.

200178434826

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Posted By: dennis

i'm sure one of our pennant experts will weigh in on this one,but imo they just don't look period.

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Posted By: Aaron M.

I'm going out on a limb and say they are both real. I've seen that Tigers pennant style offered in major auctions before, so I'm pretty certain that one is real at least. I wouldn't be suprised to see both pennats sell for several hundred dollars (maybe more).

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

They look "real", as in vintage to me, but I am no expert. I don't think I've ever seen anyone trying to fake vintage pennants before, but there's always new ground to be broken by the scammers.....just looking at what this guy sells though it doesn't scream "Scam" to me.

If I were you Mike I would probably take a chance on that Tigers pennant.

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Posted By: Mike H

I don't think they are scammers, I just think they are modern fantasy pennants. The Tigers pennant lists the manufacturer and here they are.

www.ederflag.com

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Posted By: Aaron M.

Good catch, Mike. I remember we had a similar episode re: modern replicas of vintage baseball caps a few months ago. You might want to contact the manufacturer directly and ask them if that's their handy-work.

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Posted By: Mike H

Already did Aaron. I'll let you know if (what) I hear from them.

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Posted By: Rob Dewolf

Being from Ohio, seemingly the hotbed for sports memorabilia scammers, I can attest that I know of at least one and possibly twp "legit" sports memorabilia dealers from the Buckeye state who have taken vintage pennants with the city name and worked and doctored them, tranforming them into "baseball" pennants. So, yeah, pennants aren't immune from the scum infestation.

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Posted By: Mike H

It appears they are real. I wonder if there was a buy in now, or if the seller is going with an auction house. Probably the prior.

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Posted By: Mark Steinberg

Both pennants are going to Hunt Auctions, for their March Live Event. I emailed the seller who confirmed this.

She said these pennants both belonged to her Dad who was born in 1889, and they have been sitting in a closet for the last 4 decades.

Somebody apparently convinced her she would realize more money via Hunt's than by selling on Ebay... probably correct, despite the seller's commission.

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Posted By: Aaron M.

Mike, you are officially on pennant authentication probation.

I'm not so sure the seller wouldn't have been better off selling them on E-Bay. (Hopefully the seller consigned the pennants to Hunts rather than selling them outright to Hunts.)

The White Sox pennant is unique but unremarkable unless it specifically dates to 1917-1919 -- and even then it's rather bland. I would think it would sell in the neighborhood of $1,200 or so.

The Tigers pennant is nicer (although not one of my favorites), but I've seen it offered a few times before. I would price it about the same.

But at least now you know they are both authentic, and where and when they will be made available for sale.