David Hall T206 sale -- part 2

[benjulmag]

Being more a memorabilia collector than a card collector, I lack the expertise of many in assessing what recent auction results can tell us about market conditions.

So I'm curious as to what thoughts people have as to the prices realized from last night's Heritage auction of the second part of David Hall's collection. There were many high grade cards, and IMO the trimming done on many of them was so blatant when examined under the high magnification Heritage's website allows that it enraged me the fraud that is taking place. And if the trimming was not enough, the red flags given by the appearance of some of the cards should have given pause to even the most inexperienced graders. (e.g., https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 -- side borders show clear unevenness along with cardboard shavings.)

[swarmee]

For the card you point out, American Beauties are normally considered to be cut short from the factory since their packs were narrower rather than trimmed. The left and right borders are very small for that reason.

Edit: since I saw your original post got edited, maybe you know this already? I didn't log in to see the higher res scans.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by swarmee

For the card you point out, American Beauties are normally considered to be cut short from the factory since their packs were narrower rather than trimmed. The left and right borders are very small for that reason.

Edit: since I saw your original post got edited, maybe you know this already? I didn't log in to see the higher res scans.

John, you are correct and I am aware of that. But even by American Beauty standards, this card (to me at least) stood out, and that fact alone should have lead to more stringent examination of the borders.

[ullmandds]

Scrolling through some of the hall collection i have to agree... and I’m not referring to the American beauty cards. Many of the cards appear to be tampered with having super thin borders...this is nothing new to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The Bat On 7.5 sure looked to me like it had a crease in the upper left corner.

[slidekellyslide]

Wasn’t David Hall in the room when Mastro’s handiwork was given an 8? His entire collection is one big conflict of interest.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Being more a memorabilia collector than a card collector, I lack the expertise of many in assessing what recent auction results can tell us about market conditions.

So I'm curious as to what thoughts people have as to the prices realized from last night's Heritage auction of the second part of David Hall's collection. There were many high grade cards, and IMO the trimming done on many of them was so blatant when examined under the high magnification Heritage's website allows that it enraged me the fraud that is taking place. And if the trimming was not enough, the red flags given by the appearance of some of the cards should have given pause to even the most inexperienced graders. (e.g., https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1...ription-071515 -- side borders show clear unevenness along with cardboard shavings.)

I generally agree. I collect the Red Sox cards. The Speaker card was very nice looking. I didn't see anything not to like about that card. But several of the others looked short or overgraded (Cicotte and Kleinow in particular).