M101-4 & M101-5

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Posted By: Robert

These two sets come with numerous back variations, Famous & Barr, Indianapolis Brew, Sport news etc... My question is this are they only considered M101-4's & 5's if they have blank backs. I see them graded by PSA and SGC and they will not mention the ACC# and just label it as a 1916 Famous & Barr or 1916 Sporting News. Should'nt it be like the T206 set with all the different back variations. Reason for my asking is I am in the process of building vintagecardprices.com and want to make sure I properly list these sets. Should I list all the different back variations as seperate sets or just classify them in the M101-4 & 5 sets with notation to the back on that card?

Thanks for the help

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Posted By: Patrick McHugh

Robert I would list as M101-4&5 sets with notation to the back on that card.

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Posted By: Cat

To further complicate your issue...Sporting News is used as a back desription and a card description. I have a 1915 Joe Jackson card and the SGC label states "1915 The Sporting News" but the back is Famous and Barr.



Edited to correct typos unless otherwise noted.

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Posted By: PaulPaulPaul

One complication is the letter "M". It signifies that the set was issued in connection with a publication (like the Sporting News). The graders may be reluctant to apply the letter "M" to a card issued by a brewery or bakery.

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

You face several obstacles, unless you sift through the transactions to accurately classify them yourself. For one, there are alot of slabbed cards out there that still show a 1915 date for the sets, which is in error(Beckett even has some from 1917, also wrong). Next, M101-4 cards with Sporting News back will be labeled as such, so you can't call all m101-4's blank. Third, as you noted, some will be labeled with m101-5 or m101-4 even with a different ad back. Fourth, Globe Clothing has its own ACC designation (H-809), as do others (Standard biscuit and Weil come to mind).

Maybe you should list them as 1916 [ad name or blank back](m101-4)or(m101-5). Thus, maybe this could be a 1916 Globe Clothing (H-809) (m101-4) Joe Judge, to show the ACC name and the set with which it corresponds: (fuggit, the damn site won't let me upload, but you get the idea)

Edited to add: even the above idea has problems for the more than two dozen cards that are identical in m101-5 and m101-4 in a few sets.