Where are you Jason May...

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Bruinsfan94

No offense, but it was kinda clownish to ask for the refund the way you did, not demanding, but clownish. Still think you should get a full refund, since thats what he promised.

Thanks for your input. I certainly could have written my email better, but it certainly was in no way demanding or discourteous. Clown question? Possibly.

[Bruinsfan94]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Thanks for your input. I certainly I could have written my email better, but it certainly was in no way demanding or discourteous. Clown question? Possibly.

Yea his version is a little over zealous if there is no more. lol I'd say just a little bizarre to ask how he was going to refund you after three years. I don't know him but if he's an honest seller I think he will do the right thing, and ignore the fact that you slightly mispoke. I mean if the only reason your not going to refund is because you feel you were slighted, thats no way to handle a transaction. Just my opinion.

[1952boyntoncollector]

The interesting people us collectors are...wierd on both ways..the buyer wanting the refund sort of wierdly and a long time later and the seller saying

"... If the email had been less demanding I probably would have offered a refund, but I don't respond well to discourteousness."

Always interesting when someone WAS going to do something but for the tone of the email. Either you refund or you dont dont. Usually those are fake excuses when they point to tone or politeness. I never heard anyone say 'i was going to not pay you back except you asked you asked sooo nicely so here is the money'

If the seller was ok already in offering a refund, he shouldnt be complaining about tone, just offer the refund since thats the moral code he was following

Seems like the wrong buyer for the wrong seller..just wasnt a good match


But thats a good thing about net54...if you are ignored in emails you can always open up a thread here

[PhillipAbbott79]

I believe there is a reasoable time frame for inspection. Money gets allocatedto different things. Refund is not always possible even. There is no infinite time period for returns from honest sellers. That is ridiculous.

If you have concerns dont buy. If you buy get the item inspected and if its bad return it within a normal time frame.

Even credit cards will not let you dispute something after 6 months. I believe that to be a good guage on where to draw the line...but even that is really long to float a seller. In private transactions it should be 2 to 3 months. That is more than enough to get something graded or get other opinions.

No offense but that is what you get for sitting on things. Chaulk it up and stop doing business with him.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

I believe there is a reasoable time frame for inspection. Money gets allocatedto different things. Refund is not always possible even. There is no infinite time period for returns from honest sellers. That is ridiculous.



If you have concerns dont buy. If you buy get the item inspected and if its bad return it within a normal time frame.



Even credit cards will not let you dispute something after 6 months. I believe that to be a good guage on where to draw the line...but even that is really long to float a seller. In private transactions it should be 2 to 3 months. That is more than enough to get something graded or get other opinions.



No offense but that is what you get for sitting on things. Chaulk it up and stop doing business with him.

Really? That is what I get? So, because I trust a seller whom I thought was a close hobby friend and trusted his word I get what I deserve? I deserve to be out $3k? Because he blatantly lied to me, which I have attached images, yet you feel like I deserve this? Are you kidding me? There were no red flags with Jason prior to this. I didn't NEED to send them in to get authenticated because I trusted him. All we have is our word, right?

And BTW, I offer lifetime guarantees with ALL of my items if an autograph is proven to be bad. I have refunded a seller after a year no questions asked. There is no fine line limit like with a credit card.

[Bruinsfan94]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Really? That is what I get? So, because I trust a seller whom I thought was a close hobby friend and trusted his word I get what I deserve? I deserve to be out $3k? Because he blatantly lied to me, which I have attached images, yet you feel like I deserve this? Are you kidding me? There were no red flags with Jason prior to this. I didn't NEED to send them in to get authenticated because I trusted him. All we have is our word, right?

And BTW, I offer lifetime guarantees with ALL of my items if an autograph is proven to be bad. I have refunded a seller after a year no questions asked. There is no fine line limit like with a credit card.

Well the fact of the matter is that this guy told everyone that he would refund him the money, but now won't because I guess he feels slighted? That is extremely unethical.

[OldSchoolBaseball]

I agree that it's completely unreasonable to expect a refund after that amount of time. For authentication - 60 days max is acceptable for getting a response back and communicating to the seller.

Personally, I think the autos are good - PSA and other authentication companies sometimes just don't know, so they error on the side of "not authentic" but they get it wrong too.

I have an autograph signed at a dinner from a HOF'er, and since he was drunk off his ass, the auto is terrible and would never pass authentication.

I say sorry, learn from it and move on

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Really? That is what I get? So, because I trust a seller whom I thought was a close hobby friend and trusted his word I get what I deserve? I deserve to be out $3k? Because he blatantly lied to me, which I have attached images, yet you feel like I deserve this? Are you kidding me? There were no red flags with Jason prior to this. I didn't NEED to send them in to get authenticated because I trusted him. All we have is our word, right?

And BTW, I offer lifetime guarantees with ALL of my items if an autograph is proven to be bad. I have refunded a seller after a year no questions asked. There is no fine line limit like with a credit card.

Yes. Really. If it happened the way you state, that is correct.

Friend? Do you guys go to the movies together? Bowling? Drink beers. Visit on the weekends when you have down time? Would he watch your dog for you if you went away?

What is your definition of a friend? Most people I know are simply acquaintances that when the rubber meets the road don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves. I have few real friends. Ones that would help me bury a body should I need assistance. Ones that would let me stay at their house until I got on my feet.

The world is full of people that befriend someone so that they trust them only to turn around and blatantly rip them off. Don't you ever watch American Greed on CNBC? There are people that rip off their own family. Why is everyone so disappointed when trust is broken? Why do you think that it can't happen to you. Apparently by your account it did.

No offense, but your anger is laughable. Assume that you can trust no one, even the people you consider friends, and this will never happen to you. As long as you think you can trust anyone, you are susceptible to be ripped off.

Street smarts guy....STREET SMARTS.

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Yes. Really. If it happened the way you state, that is correct.

Friend? Do you guys go to the movies together? Bowling? Drink beers. Visit on the weekends when you have down time? Would he watch your dog for you if you went away?

What is your definition of a friend? Most people I know are simply acquaintances that when the rubber meets the road don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves. I have few real friends. Ones that would help me bury a body should I need assistance. Ones that would let me stay at their house until I got on my feet.

The world is full of people that befriend someone so that they trust them only to turn around and blatantly rip them off. Don't you ever watch American Greed on CNBC? There are people that rip off their own family. Why is everyone so disappointed when trust is broken? Why do you think that it can't happen to you. Apparently by your account it did.

No offense, but your anger is laughable. Assume that you can trust no one, even the people you consider friends, and this will never happen to you. As long as you think you can trust anyone, you are susceptible to be ripped off.

Street smarts guy....STREET SMARTS.

Abbott,

I don't know Brent or Jason so I cannot comment on their friendship. However, I do 100% agree with your assessment of friend vs. acquaintance.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Yes. Really. If it happened the way you state, that is correct.



Friend? Do you guys go to the movies together? Bowling? Drink beers. Visit on the weekends when you have down time? Would he watch your dog for you if you went away?



What is your definition of a friend? Most people I know are simply acquaintances that when the rubber meets the road don't give a damn about anyone other than themselves. I have few real friends. Ones that would help me bury a body should I need assistance. Ones that would let me stay at their house until I got on my feet.



The world is full of people that befriend someone so that they trust them only to turn around and blatantly rip them off. Don't you ever watch American Greed on CNBC? There are people that rip off their own family. Why is everyone so disappointed when trust is broken? Why do you think that it can't happen to you. Apparently by your account it did.



No offense, but your anger is laughable. Assume that you can trust no one, even the people you consider friends, and this will never happen to you. As long as you think you can trust anyone, you are susceptible to be ripped off.



Street smarts guy....STREET SMARTS.

Oh get off your high horse lol. I guess Phillip Abbott is damn near perfect, who knew.

What is my definition of a friend? Well, mine certainly includes relationships that aren't only face to face and can come over to watch your house. I guess only true friends are the ones that will watch your dog. I have plenty of board members whom I view as friends (hi Chuck) and have had great personal conversations with. But since it's online and I've never met them face to face, they aren't my friend, according to you. And yes, if I dropped dead I certainly would entrust some of these board members to help sell my collection.

Anger laughable? Ok...I actually think my anger has been pretty good compared with what I actually want to say .