Bvg thoughts???

[granite75]

For vintage, BVG is the boxed wine of grading.

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[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by granite75

For vintage, BVG is the boxed wine of grading.

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This is funny! Do you mean boxed wine now or boxed wine Franzia? The newer brand Black Box actually makes a pretty good cabernet table wine that is pretty economical and while it can't compete with the more high dollar wines, it is much kinder on the wallet. But I do get your point

As far as the holders go, by a long long shot the strongest. Hard to crack those!

[Touch'EmAll]

Will admit I ruined a 1987 Fleer Larry Bird trying to get it out of a BVG holder. Will never try again. Thank godness wasn't a spendy card. A few years ago bought a BVG '51 Mays - came back from both PSA and SGC as trimmed.

[frankbmd]

Slabonomics

I have collected all four (PSA, SGC, BVG, GAI) types of slabs for over 10 years in prewar cards.

I have sold all four types of slabs as well. On average I have held cards for five years.

GAI - I only had 20 of these. Before selling any of them, I cracked and submitted them to SGC. They all graded, albeit a bit lower. I have sold half of them, but when they are all sold, I will be in the black easily, because I paid less for the GAIs to begin with.

BVG, SGC & PSA - have all netted me the same percentage ROI. BVGs are a bit cheaper than SGCs on the buy side, and therefore sell for a bit less on the sell side. Similarly SGCs are a bit cheaper than PSAs on the buy side, and therefore sell for a bit less on the sell side.

At least for me, slab diversity has had "no" economic consequences. I am a collector and not a dealer. I try not to overpay or oversell. I am not truly a buy the card not the holder type of guy though, because the holder and the grade do affect what I am willing to pay, and consequently what I am willing to sell for.

The disparity in slab pricing does increase "exponentially" in higher grade and lower pop cards. The effect of the PSA Registry on pricing of high end cards is very real, but in mid and lower graded cards, the difference is manageable for me.

So I buy cards that I like or want at reasonable prices, but never exclude a card from my consideration based on the type of slab. My OCD is focused not on a particular "look" or on a "Registry" position, but rather on a sustainable, yet changing, collection that will hopefully never result in red ink long term. Nor do I expect to become wealthy because of my cardboard.

Sorry, no punch line.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Sorry, no punch line.

Just when I think you're going to get through the whole post without a punchline, I get the non-punchline punchline. Dang!

[irv]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Will admit I ruined a 1987 Fleer Larry Bird trying to get it out of a BVG holder. Will never try again. Thank godness wasn't a spendy card. A few years ago bought a BVG '51 Mays - came back from both PSA and SGC as trimmed.

I followed this vid, from a member on here, and they were incredibly easy to crack open.

I only cracked them as I didn't like the looks of them in those plastic baggies.
I put them in sleeves and vintage top loaders and I am much happier now.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243539

[tschock]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I have collected all four (PSA, SGC, BVG, GAI) types of slabs for over 10 years in prewar cards.

I have sold all four types of slabs as well.

Finally... someone who actually 'celebrates diversity'.

[glynparson]

Nice secure holder, great at catching counterfeits, terrible at finding alterations, terrible resale value, tough storage of holders. Not sure where the idea of PSA going down hill is coming from I think they have actually improved quiet a bit over the past several years. They are far more consistent than they used to be, though much tighter. BVG has graded far to many trimmed and or sheet cut cards (percentage wise) for me to ever have any faith in their grading abilities. In fact I think they suck as graders but they are good authenticators and there holders are secure as can be.

[toledo_mudhen]

Dont really care for the baggies in the slabs and crossovers from BVG to either of the other 2 has been absolutely terrible - for me anyway.

I have to really really like the card and the price for me to spend on BVG slabbed cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Nice secure holder, great at catching counterfeits, terrible at finding alterations, terrible resale value, tough storage of holders. Not sure where the idea of PSA going down hill is coming from I think they have actually improved quiet a bit over the past several years. They are far more consistent than they used to be, though much tighter. BVG has graded far to many trimmed and or sheet cut cards (percentage wise) for me to ever have any faith in their grading abilities. In fact I think they suck as graders but they are good authenticators and there holders are secure as can be.

Agree on the holder., very secure. As I said, I think BVG has some of the best graders in the business. The other graders in the business, whom I have spoken with, think so too. That said, you really don't know what you are talking about with respect to BVG current grading. If you did you wouldn't think the way you do.

ps...I will add that cards in BVG holders don't bring the money of others but that is due to marketing and their old practices which were company mandated (grading sheet cut cards). Sort of like the "hand cut" caveat on all strip cards from SGC, even ones clearly not hand cut. BVG marketing and management leaves a bit to be desired too.

[glynparson]

No offense but I trust my eyes more than yours and I know what i see and I also know what people tell me about getting stuff through. Hell I know several guys that tell people if PSA and SGC reject it for trimmed send to BGS they will usually slab it. Many sheet cut cards have ended up in their holders this is common knowledge in the hobby. I understand thy are nice guys and may be your friends but I think they suck at detecting alterations and I still like you but frankly don't care if you think I know what i am talking about or not because I know what goes on. The alterations I am referring to them missing are trimming and filing they seem to be good at the painting and as i have said seem to be excellent at detecting counterfeits. I am sorry but i truly feel they are VERY poor at determining factory cuts.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Slabonomics
I have collected all four (PSA, SGC, BVG, GAI) types of slabs for over 10 years in prewar cards.
...
I am a collector and not a dealer. I try not to overpay or oversell. I am not truly a buy the card not the holder type of guy though, because the holder and the grade do affect what I am willing to pay, and consequently what I am willing to sell for.
...
My OCD is focused not on a particular "look" or on a "Registry" position, but rather on a sustainable, yet changing, collection that will hopefully never result in red ink long term. Nor do I expect to become wealthy because of my cardboard.

Frank, I don't know you, but this is so well put, it makes me want to buy you a beer!! All of these quoted points resonate with me extremely well. Good job sir!!