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Rick Probstein is a good seller
I have consigned many items with Rick and he gets good results almost every time.
I had a vintage non sport set sitting in my eBay store for over a year at $999 with lots of low ball offers. I pulled it and sent it to Rick and in a 7 day auction he got over $1,000 for it. I have no interest in shilling my items, I want them sold. Not sure why this guy keeps getting bashed, he has been nothing but straight with me. Last edited by Qcards; 02-13-2013 at 06:18 AM. |
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I have purchased a few items from probstein with no issues, although I have seen some "higher than expected" prices. I attributed it to his better than average auction design, low opening bids ( which drives up interest) and organization/timing of auctions (for instance, having several HOF rookies ending within minutes of one another).
I once purchased a 1957 team issue PC of Frank Robinson for $60 from him( thinking I had overpaid) and sold it about four months later for $100. You certainly don't see his stuff go for cheap, but I'm not sure if I would attribute it to shill bidding, unless I see evidence to the contrary.
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Thank you Qcards for the response. I'm not saying that he's a necessarily a bad seller, just that he doesn't seem to care about shilling. That's already been proven by the multiple recent threads.
I buy stuff from him too, I'm just much more careful then usuall. Derick, i'm not so sure about the listing design theory. He usually writes a one line description followed by a large multi-colored ad asking for consignments. The scenario you listed above with multiple hof can happen to anyone. He doesn't always do that. It's not like he's organizing auctions and sending notices like pwcc. He's just listing a bunch of random stuff, just like everyone else. In the cases where I've won his auctions it seems pretty cut and dry, to me. Sometimes I've paid "too much" and then there's a couple of OJs I got from him that I'm pretty sure I could get 50% more then I paid if I wanted to. Last edited by Matthew H; 02-13-2013 at 07:23 AM. |
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I probably won about 10 cards from Rick over the past couple years and was happy with the prices I paid. When I put a max bid in, its usually not the max i'm willing to pay for the card. Usually I don't win and get outbid but for the ones I do win, I won at great prices. Rick does tend to get higher prices on his auctions so if your a last second bidder that bids double what your willing to pay, don't be surprised if you end up over paying. If you are usually the first bidder and put a high bid amount in, i'm sure your bid will be bumped up to its max. I do believe Rick has nothing to do with the bids in question. I do believe some of the consigners are doing it so they get top dollar and not lose any money. The biggest problem is that ebay alows so many bid retractions. I've been on ebay for 14 years and never did even one bid retraction. Retractions should only be allowed to be fixed by ebay customer service and I guaranty after you deal with their customer service, you'd never do a retraction again. As far as PSA overgrading some cards, they do, they also undergrade some. What everyone has to remember, the grade is just someone's opinion. It even says that on the PSA website. Most of us here on this board know when something has been overgraded and thats good but the few that don't and only see a number inside a piece of plastic, thats when it gets bad. If everyone keeps buying the card and not the holder, there shouldn't be a problem. Lets see where the bidding ends for the Kirb White and if people are still buying the holder.
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+1 ... That is the crux of the matter, and part of the fix, IMHO.
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Accusations
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I find it puzzling that people with a strong sense of morality have no problem trashing people publicly with nothing more than accusations... re shilling.... currently, we sell over 100,000 auctions a year, I'm the only person on my staff that knows jesse haines is a HOF er...meaning, I'm crazed busy dealing with the operation of making sure my consignors items are presented correctly...plus I have 5 kids !! repeat: 100,000+ auctions annually... on shilling, it takes place all over the industry...its a problem everywhere and except people dealing directly on net54 or buying cards at shows.... within ebay, sellers do not have access to bidders high bids...this differs with many auction houses where they have access to see who is bidding.... shill bidding is much worse in the auction house world in my opinion... I always hear people want proof, well here is an example... we just sold this item for $12,000 on ebay " 1942 St Louis Cardinals Team Signed Baseball w/ Musial Slaughter + JSA LOA AUTO " ...the winning bidder triple bid against himself 3 times...meaning he was willing to pay more...did I get on my bat phone and find a bidder to jack up the price ...no ? Mike Q , posted on the thread, mike, have I have prompted you to bid on my auctions ? we block bidders that we think are problematic... we get strong prices primarily because we have created a culture where buyers know they can find great items either with realistic BIN's or auction of high end items that start at 99 cent... as ebays largest seller , we will always be a target...anyone can say anything in a thread ...if you do see problematic activity, please call me at 973 747 6304 and I will address it ..thanks, rick |
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Just to be clear, my post was simply a response on the eBay v. AH issue generally, and not at all related to Probstein's auctions specifically. I've won one of Rick's auctions before, thought that I paid a very fair price for the item (below my max bid, in fact), and have nothing but good things to say about the experience.
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I suppose bottom line is don't bid more than you want to pay for an item...seeing as shilling has become the norm?!
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I've bought between 5-10 items from this seller and have been very happy with each transaction (great clear scans, nice cards, really fast shipping).. none of which went above what I considered market value. Without getting into whole topic of shilling, spotting it, obligation to police, etc, I completely agree with the above. PS- haven't taken time to wade through all the posts yet, but just my opinion |
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You own 20 of them that are all numbered 171/400?
You own 20 of them that are all numbered 171/400?
==> we used the same listing for each one.... it takes 90 minutes to repack them once opened.... we own 20 of the 400 but I don't know which number we have of each.... buyers don't care either....they just want the piece...I'm not spending 90 minutes each on 20 pieces just so we can state 171/400 , 185/400 , etc... these things are 82 pounds and are one huge paint in the but to ship.... you'll notice our listing on ebay has /400 http://www.ebay.com/itm/XL-Super-Bow...item53f44c6037 |
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Ran through my invoices really quick---
Here are both sides of my pricing anomalies from items listed with Rick: 67 Set partially graded, expected $2200 sold $3k 56 near set, expecting $900 sold $1300 55 Bowman Starter expecting $500 sold $860 64 Topps Standup lot expecting $200 sold $460 Lebron Quad Auto expecting $600 sold $355 Joe Montana PSA/DNA RC expecting $250 sold $104 Al Leiter Autograph expecting $15 sold $56 Silver Ring, was expecting $20 got $91 Large amount of mid condition raw stars that sold on average 40% higher than expecting (about 80 cards) I got absolutely killed on a large modern lot, many BGS 9.5's and 10 pristines I was expecting $15-$30 each sold for $2-$5 (had 40 cards sell for under $15) 1880's Sporting Life's, expecting $50-$75/card sold for $140-$180 each 1880's Peck & Snyder expecting $75-$100/card sold for $50-$60 55 Bowman starter set, expecting $400 sold $102 (Edit - this is a different listing than the other starter) 150~ 1960 PSA cards was expecting $800 out of the lot sold for over $1200 2x Mike Trout logo patch autos, expecting $600-$800 per, sold for $300-$350 each 1940 Superman Gum /w card #1 expecting $2000, sold $395 National Chicle Skybirds Expecting $80, sold $200 Last edited by Sean1125; 02-13-2013 at 03:27 PM. |
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My personal experience-
Purchased over 2000 items on ebay- 0 retractions Sold over 3000 items on ebay- 0 retractions |
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Rick,
In your opinion how many bid retractions does someone need to become a problematic bidder? I would disagree purely from a non-scientific and opinion based standpoint that there is more shilling @ AHs than on eBay. The stakes and downside seem to be much greater there than eBay. Could be wrong. Jeff
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I dont follow anything else except Cracker Jacks and Rick has soldquite a few 1914s recently well below market value fwiw.
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In your opinion how many bid retractions does someone need to become a problematic b
I'm not convinced that this is what shillers do....
I get real-time emails when bidders retract and I click and look and I've never seen a consignor retracting....I would think that the placement of ceiling bids is more problematic....and by the way , I have LOADS of buyers that greatly dislike the fact that the MAJORITY of ebay items for auction have super high reserves, they have limited time and the MOSTLY buy from me or PWCC cause they know they can win items without reserves....gee, where was all that shilling on the 1914 CJS ? meanwhile there is another thread somewhere with accusations that shilling happened on 1914 CJS meanwhile several of them went of low...can't be both ways Last edited by probstein123; 02-13-2013 at 08:54 AM. |
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Fwiw
I join the earlier poster who said that you should bid what you are willing to pay. If its shilled beyond your top bid, then it will come back around again and perhaps your same bid on a re-listing might get it that time. Shilling is a very bad thing for sellers and buyers alike, as shown by the hesitancy to buy from Probstein despite 80,000+ feedbacks and 100% rating (IIRC). I've bought from him, and gotten the items I wanted at my price, or lost the auction. Never an issue. I don't consign to eBay sellers, as I can sell on my own. If I did, I wouldn't shill because of the risk that I'd win my item back, and that's not the purpose of selling. If I want to ensure a minimum price acceptable to me, I'll ask for a reserve, and sell it at that, or not at all..
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Did that person actually pay the $12,000 for the ball. No way someone would be that stupid and pay that much.
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Did that person actually pay the $12,000 for the ball. No way someone would be that s
Did that person actually pay the $12,000 for the ball. No way someone would be that stupid and pay that much.
==> they paid....musial items are super hot and this ball is very rare... |
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I've never seen a consignor retracting
How about one bidding?
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The original winner/re-bidder did not win the card, I don't recall if it sold for more than the current market average .. and that, obviously, was not my point. Rick and I have since spoken and cleared up any questions surrounding. |
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I guess the moral here is: we can be as paranoid as we want but we'll never get any definitive answers from eBay or AHs. I think Peter hit the nail on the head with his last post. |
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just look at his auctions and the SHADY BIDDERS who seem to only bid with him and NEVER WIN, plus have 100s of retractions....it doesnt take a genius to see whats going on.... |
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