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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: scott
why are the m116's so inexpensive?hof's in mid-high grades go for a fraction of other sets?what can you tell me about the pastel backgrounds? |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: John
I would say that they are relatively inexpensive, but not cheap. Cards normally go for around the same price as T206's in mid to lower grades (I know this is contrary to the guides). The lack of perceived interest is most likely a result of their availability. There was an interesting article in Beckett Vintage a few years back regarding this issue (how it was distributed, quality control, etc.) which spawned a number of listings on ebay soon thereafter. About ten to fifteen years ago, dealers would sell these at shows for about twice the price of a similar condition T206. As with caramel cards, it is probably just a matter of time before this issue "catches up" with other vintage material. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Scott |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
Hi Ted, |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Dean H
Tim, |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Tim Newcomb
I thought Ted was referring to an older article, but I expect you're right-- I remember seeing that one in '03. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: robert a
The reason the m116s are cheaper is because they are easier to find in nicer condition due to how they were packaged. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: bcornell
John Billingsley mentioned at the National that he sold >100 of them in just the first 2 days, so someone's buying. On the aesthetic front, I'm still skeptical that 95% of 1911 major leaguers were redheads, as this set contends. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
I can only speak for myself obviously, but the reason that I don't collect M116's is that I don't find them very visually appealing. The individual portraits are very nice, but as someone who at least aspires to collect complete sets, a set consisting entirely of portraits would get monotonous to me when compared with sets that show on field poses or a mix of portraits and action poses. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
TIM |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: tbob
if the Sporting Life had the card designation "T116" instead of "M116" I believe prices would be at least double. Tobacco and/or caramel card collectors only are a little leary of the "Magazine"116 designation for some strange reason. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: leon
Not to hijack the thread, and I do believe that the "m" in m116 holds their values down somewhat, how can you think Smokey's best card is the m116 when this one is around ? |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Andy Baran
For anyone who may not have seen one before: |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: leon
maybe it's a toss up |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: tbob
Thanks Andy, case closed. |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: leon
I am not picking on "m"'s but it doesn't seem like they bring quite as much money.....at least as T's and E's, relatively speaking. That's all I meant and it could be debated.... |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
LEON |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I can only speak for myself... |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: tbob
So Hal, I guess you'd turn thumbs down on a T4 Weaver or a 1915 Cracker Jack Matty, since both came the same way as the Sporting Lifes |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Did you mean a 1915 Cracker Jack? |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Michael Peich
Greg--I had a few M-116s in my collection, and only started adding to them last spring at Ft. Washington. Thanks to John Billingsly at the National, and a few other dealers, I have joined Tim, Tbob and Ted Z. and am now in the hunt. I find them very appealling (despite Bill's red hair remark) in the same way that I like T-206 portraits, W-600, Jones, Keyser and Arras, and any of the cabinet/CDV types of cards. I've often wondered if M-116, certainly T-204, and to a degree T-222, aren't less expensive versions of cabinet cards. They all have a photographic quality that I find satisfingly appealing. Maybe we can win you over! |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Tim |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: warshawlaw
And I think it will catch on as the other cards reach unattainable levels for the average collector. Here are a few I like: |
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m116's ...lack of interest?
Posted By: Paul
I'm interested! I just bought my first Matty & M116 a few minutes ago. It's an SGC60 blue background. I've admired these cards for awhile now, but was too busy with other cards on my "wantlist". |
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