Goodwin Cabinets?

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Posted By: Dave F

I'm not up to speed on the pre-1900 stuff....what exactly are these? I know I found the same exact poses on the N172's...but geez...didn't expect this price....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=320174233283&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=011

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

N173s with the ads cut off. Did this fella not understand what a reserve was?

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Posted By: dstudeba

They are n173s with the Ad cut off. The seller originally listed them with a minimum bid of 7K if I recall correctly and they went unsold. I was the 3rd underbidder at just over 1K since I like trimmed cards. That said, I was also pretty confident I wouldn't meet the reserve. Either the buyer knows something I don't (easily likely) or they made a mistake. I IDed all of the guys except the one in the suit, and unless he was Bid McPhee I don't think there was a huge premium for the players. (Remember I could easily be wrong) Their previous purchases have mainly been modern stuff. If the cards were complete it would have been a fine price.

I would be interested in other opinions.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

667 apiece for N173s with the ads cut off...who knows? With the way things are going and the scarcity of N173s it could be a good price. People are paying $1700 for torn in half, skinned, and trimmed Bid McPhee cards. You can't be picky when it comes to items that are difficult to obtain in any condition.

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Posted By: dennis

seller made no mention of size or that they were trimmed. could he not have known? did he have a reserve?

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

His listing had the size in the Q&A portion. I e-mailed him and asked for his reserve, saying I was having trouble valuing cards that had been trimmed along the bottom. I even told him that the ad was gone and what the catalogued dimensions were for these. I also told him that they could have been trimmed 100 years ago--that it was not uncommon. He claimed he was certain these were not trimmed, which piqued my interest into thinking maybe these are some sort of proofs (an overused term, I know, and one on which I claim no expertise--sorry). Didn't pique my interest $6K worth though.

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Posted By: Jay

These cards are trimmed cabinets. If I am not mistaken they were part of a lot which appeared in a Lelands auction in May.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

If they did indeed appear in Lelands this past May then the seller is full of you know what.

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Posted By: Dave F

"What size are these cards ?
A: The cards are 4"25 X6" and the photo is 4" x 6"


If this is correct...then he would have to be lying correct? I thought the N173's to begin with were just barely over 4x6. For the ad at the bottom to have been cut off would it even be possible to still have 6" in length left on the card?

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Posted By: dstudeba

They are 6 1/2" normally. If you look at his numbers he said the picture was 6" long and the card was 6" long. Since there is a top and bottom border that can't be true. In the previous auction I also informed him that they had been trimmed which he said was impossible. Whatever.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

It's all in the scans. Why else would he cut off the bottom of each scan so you couldn't see the bottom corners and wear patterns.

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Posted By: Fred C

Dan,

The suit is Gus Schmelz (Mgr.)

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Posted By: Jay

Sorry--my mistake. In Lelands May auction they had some Cinc. Old Judge cabinet proofs. These look like genuine trimmed N173s.

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Posted By: Fred C

Steve,

Look at the bottom right corner of the Duryea. You can see that the add has definitely been cut off the bottom. Cool cabinets (minus the adds) but that was a lot of cash for the group. There were a few good players in there and the Nicol/Reilly is pretty nice.

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Posted By: Mark T

can't see a picture but this is a sgc 10.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330131241693

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Posted By: dstudeba

Thanks Fred, I figured it was the manager, but wasn't sure.

A few months back a newly discovered player went for 500-600, so I think it is safe to say the price of these is pretty high.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

While I do think it is pretty high for these, some people will probably pay a premium to pick up a large group.

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Posted By: Paul

I didn't realize that "Long & Short" made an appearance in N173. Cool card.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

or trimmed 'proofs'. My bet would be the 'proofs' on a studio mount.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

I'm inclined to agree with Tom B. I wouldn't concede that these cabinets ever wore an Old Judge ad. While we used to turn up 2-3 "new" N173s year when I was compiling the SCBC, a group this size in which most of the poses, if not the players, had gone unchecklisted for 125 years seems like too much of a good thing. I'd be more inclined to think these were originally mounted on a local studio's cabinets.

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Posted By: Fred C

Bob,

I thought the same thing about the cabinets. Unless the ads were on the bottom I'm not sure how anyone could say for sure that these are N173s. It's possible that these could be OJs, Dogs Head or whatever but without the ad I don't see how these could be cataloged as such. None the less, those are some really nice images.

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Posted By: Alan U

The buyer with that ebay i.d. has been soliciting me to consign items in the Mile High auction so they might end up there.

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