card collectors company, and T206 Wagner

[zljones]

I found this flyer on the internet that shows the T206 Wagner as being worth $250 in 1964. It also lists the 52 Topps high number cards as $1.00 a piece. This got me wondering, is Card Collector's Company the first card shop in America? If not what was?
Another question I have is I see the Wagner was worth $250 in 1961, 1962, and 1964. Then I read old articles that said it was selling for $1,000+ by 1972-73. So what was the value of it in the late 60s and very early 70s? Does anyone recall how much it was selling for between 1964 and 1973? What about the T206 Plank, how much was that selling for in the 60s and 70s? What about the T206 Magie or the 33 Goudey Lajoie? How much did those go for in the 50s,60s, and 70s? If you remember any years during the 70s, 60s and 50s of how much any of these cards sold for in any given year can you post it?
I have price guides from 1979-1995 so I already know those values. I just want to know what happened before 1979. The Sports Card Collector's Bible I heard was loaded with innacuracies, even the 1977 reissue. I also do not want to pay the exorbinant amount of money dealers want this old price guide. I have Burdick's 1967 price guide but it is horribly innacurate for values. It says the Wagner was worth $50 in 1953,1960, 1967 which is way off. So can someone fill in the gaps for me. I am very interested in historic values.

http://www.marshallwest.com/cardcoll...ny,march1,1964

[tennisguy]

I am also interested in hearing what the Plank and Magie were valued at in the 50's and 60's?

[Bilko G]

How much was the Wagner worth in 1979???

Also, was there anyways to protect the cards in 1963, or did most people just rubber band them and put in the shoe box??

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

How much was the Wagner worth in 1979???

The first Beckett/Eckes Sports Americana Baseball Card Priceguide issued in 1979 lists the Wagner at $4,800 in mint, $4,000 in VG-E, and $2,000 in F-G.

It lists the Plank at $2,700 in mint, $2,200 in VG-E, and $1,000 in F-G.

Magie's at $400 in mint, $320 in VG-E, and $150 in F-G.

Commons are listed at $1.60 in mint, $1.20 in VG-E, and $.50 in F-G, with HOFers ranging from $9 - $20 in mint.

Steve

[zljones]

Originally Posted by Steve D

The first Beckett/Eckes Sports Americana Baseball Card Priceguide issued in 1979 lists the Wagner at $4,800 in mint, $4,000 in VG-E, and $2,000 in F-G.

It lists the Plank at $2,700 in mint, $2,200 in VG-E, and $1,000 in F-G.

Magie's at $400 in mint, $320 in VG-E, and $150 in F-G.

Commons are listed at $1.60 in mint, $1.20 in VG-E, and $.50 in F-G, with HOFers ranging from $10 - $20 in mint.

Steve

Yup and the 52 Mantle was $500.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by zljones

Yup and the 52 Mantle was $500.

Hmm that's interesting info.

What about protection and storage? When that advertisement to sell cards was printed in 1963, was there any special ways people protected the cards? What year did the plastic sheets for binders come about? Was that the first way people protected their cards?

I wonder how these companies back in 1963 would ship cards to people when they bought them? I wonder if they put them between cardboard or anything, or did they just send them in PWE?

[HoofHearted]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

Also, was there anyways to protect the cards in 1963, or did most people just rubber band them and put in the shoe box??

I was excited to see the name "Card Collectors Company" in a post! When I was a kid collecting in the '60s I ordered from Mr. Gelman's company trying to complete the 1962 Topps Ruth and World Series subsets. I just scanned the CCC Catalog #14 from 1963. On page 7 are a couple storage devices you might be interested in:

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by zljones

I found this flyer on the internet that shows the T206 Wagner as being worth $250 in 1964. It also lists the 52 Topps high number cards as $1.00 a piece. This got me wondering, is Card Collector's Company the first card shop in America? If not what was?
http://www.marshallwest.com/cardcoll...ny,march1,1964

Goody Goldfadden's Adco Sports Book Exchange.
I think he started in Cleveland in the last 40's, moved it to LA probably in the '50's, and ran it here for decades. He just died recently.

[zljones]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Goody Goldfadden's Adco Sports Book Exchange.
I think he started in Cleveland in the last 40's, moved it to LA probably in the '50's, and ran it here for decades. He just died recently.

Wow I would have never thought card shops existed in the 40s.

[atx840]

Can't wait to see it Frank, the wags page has been very helpful.

Here is Wonka's Plank page.

http://imageevent.com/piojohn3/collectionpublic/planks

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by atx840

Can't wait to see it Frank, the wags page has been very helpful.

Here is Wonka's Plank page.

http://imageevent.com/piojohn3/collectionpublic/planks

I see all your plank picture and i realize i own the more creased plank in the world lol

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

I see all your plank picture and i realize i own the more creased plank in the world lol

which Plank is you???

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Bilko G

which Plank is you???

Lionel Carter Plank.

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

Lionel Carter Plank.

OH WOW!! Very, very cool!!!!

[atx840]

True, but it's yours and it has wonderful provenance.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by atx840

True, but it's yours and it has wonderful provenance.

Yep you are right !

I just receive the auction dvd of lionel carter and liste it now... I lovethehistory of my card hehe

[atx840]

T206resource released a Wagner Sales History page with dates going back to the 91 Gretzky sale.

http://t206resource.com/WagnerSales.html