Cap Anson Yum Yum info

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Posted By: Brad

Can anyone confirm with me that the 1888 Yum Yum Tobacco Card pictures White Stockings teammate Ned (Ed) Williamson and not Anson, and that there is no corrected version available (i.e. no Yum Yum card that actually pictures Anson). I'd like to get the info correct on my capanson.com website.



Thanks!
Brad W.

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Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: barrysloate

Richard- while the line drawing is clearly Anson, the portrait is clearly not, and was never corrected. I don't believe anyone has found a Ned Williamson labelled Cap Anson. Is that correct?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Williamson is unknown in Yum Yum. Now that would be quite a find, wouldn't it?

I don't believe they ever corrected the Sunday/Dailey photos either.

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Posted By: Jay

I believe that the convention established by the Cartophilic Society is, in cases where the picture does not match the name at the bottom of the card, that the picture rules. This happens quite a few times in the Old Judge set. Thus, the card called an Anson(Williamson portrait) is really a mislabeled Williamson card. Does this make any difference? My guess is, in an auction, quite a bit.

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Posted By: leon

I am sure you are correct in how mislabelled cards are catalogued. I am also sure that sometimes it makes a difference and sometimes it doesn't. The E97 Young and D359 Baker come to mind. I don't think those values are affected by a different player as they are generally catalogued as what is written on the card...Historical and present sales prove it out.....regards

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Posted By: jay behrens

I like the rule Jay cited. In putting together my player collection, if I find out a card is labeled as one player but actually depicts another, I will find a card with the correct picture and get rid of the one that does not have the correct picture. This limits my choices as to which Cy Young card I can own as he seems to be misidentified more than any other player.

Jay

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Posted By: Steve Dawson

I don't know, but it sure seems people pay Cy Young prices for his caramel cards that actually picture Irv Young, as people also do with the T3 Home Run Baker (that pictures Jack Barry).

I can't think of any cards that have a picture of a hall of famer, but identify him as a "common player", but it sure would be interesting to see.


Steve

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Posted By: barrysloate

I agree completely with Jay that the Yum Yum is a card of Williamson, but would like to add the following caveat: in the case of the E97 Young, it is an action pose and the visage of the player is rather indistinct. I believe there is a candy card of Buck Weaver that actually pictures Joe Tinker (is that right?) but the picture is at such an odd angle that the face is nearly invisible. The N403, however, is a beautiful and distinct portrait, and for that reason the error is much more critical. With the E97 Young, it kind of looks like Cy Young if you take your glasses off. Is this making any sense?

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Posted By: Steve Dawson

Barry,

I agree with you that the E97 Young does sorta look like Cy. What gave it away for me was that the player on the card is lefthanded, whereas Cy was a righty. Upon further review, I discovered it's the same photo as the T206 Irv Young.


Steve

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Posted By: BcD

I think you mean the Tango Brand Egg card as Buck was left out of the "commercial" E-caramel issues. And then there is the Meyer-Jacklitsch card too!

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Posted By: barrysloate

That's it Brian- it's the Tango Eggs.

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Posted By: david

so did the yum yum anson sell for the price of an anson or the price of a williamson? my guess would be the former

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Posted By: leon

From my understanding you are correct...

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Posted By: Brad

Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond. I especially appreciate the line drawing Yum Yum variation scan. I hope the Anonymous user whom posted it doesn't mind me using the image (cropped to remove the SGC holder and info) on my website. Also, if anyone has any cards, team cabinet photos or other Anson related items that I don't have pictured at http://www.capanson.com/baseball_cards.html, I'd really love to see them!

Thanks again,
Brad

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Posted By: Steve M.

that ain't him. I must respectfully disagree with any opinion that the card should command an "Anson" price when clearly it is not him. Let's reverse this. What if it was an Anson picture and the name on the card was Williamson? Seems to me that it would be more desirable because after all isn't it the picture we're buying and not the name. Same with the Cy Young, Irv Young though someone might argue that "well, it could be Cy". I guess the only way we are sure is because of Irv's T206 card.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Steve- that is exactly what I was thinking. If the reverse was found both cards couldn't be Anson, so you would have to pick one. And of course, you would pick the one with the correct photograph.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

instead of Williamson-Money......more because the purchaser HAS that type of money AND really needed the pose to go with an already large assortment of Yum Yum's.