SCP Cy Young cabinets

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I saw these at National and thought they were really cool. The Young in particular will be a centerpiece of a collection.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Here we go. These are the two cards I was talking about, and the last recorded auction of each. To me, these are preferred to the cabinet, even though the cabinet presents better, and is easily the better signature. The medium that is being signed is so important in this hobby. Signed Marquards are a dime a dozen -- but a signed T206 Marquard is a $1,000+ card.



http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=21855




http://www.goodwinandco.com/autograp...s-lot9069.aspx

Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:

[e107collector]

Looking at the auction lot on SCP's website, the Cy Young Cabinet card has a reserve on it. $100K reserve maybe?

Tony

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?

W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by Bicem

W600's were printed over the course of many years as you can see on the label, and there are multiple poses/variations of most of the players. Is that what you were asking? The Young that you posted was created from the same image as the cabinet, but it's printed (not a photo) and was produced years later.

Thanks, i am not a pre-war guy, so anytime i can get schooled on something its appreciable.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Amazing picture here. I am only replying as i saw something similar to this somewhere else, currently at auction, for around 7k, with plenty of time left But looks a slight different from this one. Is there a difference as why they labeled the same????
Any guesses?
Here is the pic of it:

That particular W600 Young has the Type 2 mount which means that it was probably printed in 1903. That image of Young is also known on the Type 1 mount which was printed in 1902.

Obviously, the image was originally taken in 1893 or before - the date that his Just So card was issued.

[benchod]

Thanks for asking about the w600 Young
I may have missed that one at auction!

[Leon]

66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.

[benchod]

All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by benchod

All of the Cleveland cabs went for much lower than I had anticipated.
Thought they were very reasonable.
Wonder what the consignor was anticipating?

I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by glchen

I wonder if encapsulating the cabinets in blue flips (as opposed to red flips) from PSA hurt the value, as potential buyers may not have been sure that they were from the 1890s. (Or they could have gone to SGC w/ something similar, card and auto authenticated.)

Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Leon

66k for the Cy Young Cabinet.......That is the value according to the auction ending.

congrats Leon?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bicem

congrats Leon?

Hopefully you aren't insinuating I have an extra 66k laying around? It definitely wasn't me. I can barely keep up with the shuffling I already do, to pay for my habit hobby.

I did guess it would go for close to the closing amount though, so that will have to do. As with many other things, if I did have the money, I would have paid more than that. It's a great card. Also, have to agree with other folks take on the grading, generally speaking autographs aren't as valuable as cards, so it might have been better to have it graded a 2 (MK) or something? It's easy to have 20-20 hindsight but still.....

[bgar3]

I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bgar3

I must confess to being way out of touch, as I never would have guessed that whether or not a 19th century cabinet or cdv was graded or not would be of any meaningful interest to someone who appreciated an item like that.

I would have thought it would have had zero impact on price, as it's easy enough to get a very clear visual on it, and it's not like there are loads of them lying around. But I do respect Leon's opinion, and he's much more likely to be a player in an auction like this, than am I, so I suppose I just learned something.

[bgar3]

I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bgar3

I also respect Leon's opinion, which is why I admit to being out of touch, however, I agree with our opinion(runscott).

Who knows, maybe it doesn't matter? My opinion counts as one...So if ya'll disagree then you win, 2-1.

[Bicem]

I doubt the holder made any difference. Regardless, amazing pieces and I'm sure the winners are thrilled to have them.

[drcy]

I don't know why a holder (or lack thereof) would make a difference in the pricing.

I'm not saying that from an anti-grading/anti-plastic holder angle nor saying there's anything wrong with wanting it in a labelled holder, just that the Young is more of an autographed photo (in cabinet card form) than a baseball card. Plastic entombment effects the prices of baseball cards not (in general) autographed photos, even when the photos are vintage originals and by famous photographers. An autograph LOA is usually sufficient for an an autographed photo to get get its full auction house value.

[Runscott]

+1, David.

I sincerely hope no one took my first holder post seriously. I also hope it didn't sound too sarcastic for those who didn't take it seriously.

(By the way, you need to respond to my email regarding the next Felix game, as I'm buying tickets for the group).

[E93]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Gary, that was probably it. My guess is that the only people interested in this cabinet were uneducated bidders with a lot of money to spend and who couldn't find a Plank or Ruth rookie to spend their money on. As you say, they probably looked at the slab, saw it had the wrong color of ink on it, and I doubt they even looked at the item within the slab. More educated hobbyists probably simply respected it for its historical value and elected to let less educated people get a crack at it.

Be serious. Most of the most valuable collections in the hobby are owned by the most knowledgable collectors. Too bad nothing could be blamed on the stupidity of "registry" folks this time.
Jim B

[Runscott]

I think you mean "be serious" as in "stop being a clown"

If not, please refer to the post I made 1 minute before yours.

[nolemmings]

I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I can understand the slabs in this case, not for the photos, but for the handwriting. I'm not sure how many people know how Cy Young would sign/identify B. Ewing, McKean, etc. (not saying PSA does either), but it makes distracting ink on the photo less so if you imagine ol' Cy putting his pen to it. Ten years from now if you didn't know about the provenance from this auction you might just think some nobody added the names to the front without the slab.

That makes complete sense. Seems like it would actually raise the price for those photos.

[E93]

Scott,
Sorry about that. I did not get the sarcasm in your original post. Electronic communication can be tough in that way.
JimB

[Runscott]

Jim, it's fine - it resulted in your reinforcing my thinking. If my post had been ignored it would have meant everyone agreed with its literal meaning (for Barry: as opposed to literally agreeing with it). It wouldn't have been the first time that I posted something that was very dry, and everyone thought it was sloppy wet.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Agree with the others, a good deal for the winner of the Young cabinet, wish I had that kind of money.....