Rankings of the rarest T206 Cards (NOT BACKS!)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sreader3

The 2006 list that Paul cites above was based on a blend of my 2004-2006 eBay survey data and the PSA pop report--the latter weighted prior to blending to compensate for the fact that higher-priced cards are (or at least as of 2006 were) submitted to PSA more often.

How heavily? Also, were the variation 'twins' weighted as well? In some cases I'm seeing equal numbers of both in the PSA pop reports, which is kind of curious.

[pgellis]

I would love to see a list of the toughest "commons". If you look at the list in the beginning of this thread, you see variation cards/short prints (O'hara, Lundgren, Demmitt, etc.) and Southern Leaguers.

So, if we excluded variation/short print cards, southern leaguers & Hall of Famers, I would love to see a list of what people have found as the toughest "common".

My list would include the following (but not limited to):

• Red Ames, Hands At Chest
  Bob Ganley
  Charlie Hemphill
  Ed Karger
  Otto Kruger
  Harry Lumley
  Fred Tenney

Thoughts?

[t206blogcom]

Phil - I agree with your post and with some of your list since it echoed my earlier post about Ganley and Tenney.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by pgellis

My list would include the following (but not limited to):

• Red Ames, Hands At Chest
  Bob Ganley
  Charlie Hemphill
  Ed Karger
  Otto Kruger
  Harry Lumley
  Fred Tenney

Thoughts?

I've sold 1850 T206s. On average, I should have sold each card in the set 3.5 times. From your list above, here are my occurrences of sales:
Ames (HAC) - 1
Ganley - 3
Hemphill -3
Karger - 4
Kruger - 4
Lumley - 3
Tenney - 0

Actually, I just received my first Tenney this month in 7+ years of buying/selling/collecting T206s.

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I've sold 1850 T206s. On average, I should have sold each card in the set 3.5 times. From your list above, here are my occurrences of sales:
Ames (HAC) - 1
Ganley - 3
Hemphill -3
Karger - 4
Kruger - 4
Lumley - 3
Tenney - 0

Actually, I just received my first Tenney this month in 7+ years of buying/selling/collecting T206s.

Any other 1's or 0's?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I've sold 1850 T206s. On average, I should have sold each card in the set 3.5 times. From your list above, here are my occurrences of sales:
Ames (HAC) - 1
Ganley - 3
Hemphill -3
Karger - 4
Kruger - 4
Lumley - 3
Tenney - 0

Actually, I just received my first Tenney this month in 7+ years of buying/selling/collecting T206s.

Interesting. While Tenney is not easy, I've had plenty of them - two raw ones this year alone. The problem was always finding a nice one.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Runscott

How heavily? Also, were the variation 'twins' weighted as well? In some cases I'm seeing equal numbers of both in the PSA pop reports, which is kind of curious.

Scott, still wondering about your thoughts on this.

[Tao_Moko]

I went on a 2 month long search and purchase of the following:

Group #1:

Ames (HAC) - 3 Piedmont 150 ebay, 1 Sweet Cap 150 other; Total 4 avg $25
Ganley - 3 (2 Piedmont 150, 1 Sweet Cap 150) ebay; Total 3 avg $35
Tenney - 1 Piedmont 350 ebay, 2 other Piedmont 350; Total 3 avg $44

All three of these subjects seemed to lack a selection of mid grade cards. There were beaters and then a few examples of higher grades for each. In my very short research period I would conclude that Ganley is the toughest to find in high grade with Tenney coming in second and Ames last.

Group #2:

Foster - 1 Old Mill other $100
Hooker - 1 Piedmont 350 ebay $45

I passed on many others of each card. Foster was definitely more difficult than Hooker by a ratio of 3 to 1 and not easily attainable for under $100.

Group #3:

Dahlen Brooklyn - 1 board member pending sale Sweet Cap 350
Elberfeld Washington - 1 Piedmont 350 b/s/t $260
Brown Washington - 0
Lundgren Chicago - 1 Piedmont 150 friend $125

I could have bought several examples of each subject without any issue but it would have been costly to do so. I did buy one Brown/Chicago variation for $90 w/ a Sweet Cap 150 back.

This was a sampling of some of the tougher common player cards to find(based on fronts only) but I think I'll expand it to another grouping in June which I've already selected. My conclusion for the first grouping is that they were all attainable without much effort. Low grades in group #1 and #2 were very affordable while the higher grades demanded higher than average prices for common players. Group $3 had higher than average prices for low grades. If there's any interest in this then I'll post my next round of results.

*disclaimer - for the sake of this original post, I am not seeking any front/back combinations specifically even though the back has almost everything to do with the cards rarity/scarcity.

[tjb1952tjb]

Reading this thread made me appreciate my Tenney that much more........

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by tjb1952tjb

Reading this thread made me appreciate my Tenney that much more........

Yeah, that's a nice card. I like the theory that 150 only subjects are more difficult to find in higher grades. Tenney is found with 350 backs as frequently as 150 but does seem to be a tougher card to find in high grade. There are some nice examples out there but you'll pay for them.

These posts generate an interest that has an immediate impact on the market and generates a wave of activity so we may see more of these become available at higher prices.

[wonkaticket]

Very nice Tenny. I agree he is one of the tougher cards to find in good shape.

[CMIZ5290]

Frank smith (chi. & boston) has got to be up there, especially in high grade. There is not one graded higher than a psa 7 of any backs! There are not many cards in the set that don't have at least one graded psa 8.....Heinie Zimmerman and Hooks Wiltse (cap) are also extremely tough in high grade.