Trump campaign selling autopenned hats

[thenavarro]

Not intended to start a political rant and I hope everyone here is professional enough to not wreck a thread by taking it in that direction.

Have seen a number of different ads from the Trump campaign offering "signed" Trump hats for donations such as in this ad for $183. Just an FYI that if you donate to get one of these "signed" hats, you will be receiving an autopenned version and not an authentic signature.

There will be some people all over the country donating to get these and they likely won't know they are getting a fake, and a few of these are bound to make their way into the hobby purposefully or not.

If you actually follow the links in the ads, and read the fine print, you will see where the campaign indicates they are autopenned. (Just noticed the same thing occuring with the "signed" Art of the Deal books they are offering as well.)

[Terrier8HOF]

same with the books. there are a few for sale on ebay now, being presented as authentic but they are all autopenned. You really have to dig deep in the ad to see it but that is how they are protecting themselves legally. Frankly, I do not understand why Mr. Trump could not sign them himself. I think its a great idea to raise money, but not under false pretenses.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Terrier8HOF

Frankly, I do not understand why Mr. Trump could not sign them himself. I think its a great idea to raise money, but not under false pretenses.

That is such a good question.
The Trump autograph market will be forever clogged up now.

[bravos4evr]

I remember reading something about the majority of requested autos from politicians are autopenned (especially the PREZ) as they simply don't have the time to sign everything they get asked for.

Not as true for 18th century , but I know a lot of modern president autos are autopenned.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

I remember reading something about the majority of requested autos from politicians are autopenned (especially the PREZ) as they simply don't have the time to sign everything they get asked for.

Not as true for 18th century , but I know a lot of modern president autos are autopenned.

100% true but the presidents are not selling them, they give away autopen sigs.
I have never seen auto penned sigs advertised and sold before. This is certainly a new one.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

100% true but the presidents are not selling them, they give away autopen sigs.
I have never seen auto penned sigs advertised and sold before. This is certainly a new one.

I have purchased "signed" books before through Barnes & Noble online and received autopen copies. (Sarah Palin). Also, Hillary Clinton used to do book "signings" in person at the store, but she wouldn't sign them there, only pass them out, and they were autopenned. (It Takes a Village books)

Never, ever, trust modern political signed books without doing due dilligence.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

100% true but the presidents are not selling them, they give away autopen sigs.
I have never seen auto penned sigs advertised and sold before. This is certainly a new one.

hmmm.... now I may be mistaken, but I recall there being some Obama signed stuff for sale during his initial prez run being sold (and it was all autopen stuff) to raise funds. signed posters, 8x10's...etc

might be wrong tho as it might have been sold 2nd hand or by vendors and not directly by the candidate's PAC or wtvr

[theshleps]

Premier Collectibles has books by Trump and Hillary they they claim are hand signed and offer a guarantee. I had bought one of each at the beginning of the year. Am I wrong as I do not see anything there about autopenned?

[JoeyFarino]

Does the hat come with that ridiculous hair piece??? If so im buying one

[Exhibitman]

Does the fake signature come with a fake degree from Trump U?

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by theshleps

Premier Collectibles has books by Trump and Hillary they they claim are hand signed and offer a guarantee. I had bought one of each at the beginning of the year. Am I wrong as I do not see anything there about autopenned?

The Trump books that I've seen from Premier have been legit in my opinion.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

hmmm.... now I may be mistaken, but I recall there being some Obama signed stuff for sale during his initial prez run being sold (and it was all autopen stuff) to raise funds. signed posters, 8x10's...etc

might be wrong tho as it might have been sold 2nd hand or by vendors and not directly by the candidate's PAC or wtvr

Please read my post again.
I said that presidents do not sell autopen stuff.
I made no mention of candidates.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

The Trump books that I've seen from Premier have been legit in my opinion.

Agree. The Trump signed books from Premier are authentic.

[steve B]

The closest thing I've had is a Barbara Bush "autographed" book. Looked neat until I looked it up. Factory edition autopenned signature, and the key to it is that the autopenned version of the book has a different ISBN than the regular book.

Steve B

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Agree. The Trump signed books from Premier are authentic.

My Premier "Crippled America" signed by Donald Trump.





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[thenavarro]

Nice book Chris.

Here's my legit hat.

[thenavarro]

And my 8 x 10 from 2004

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Please read my post again.
I said that presidents do not sell autopen stuff.
I made no mention of candidates.

I was mistaken in my reading man, my bad!

[1880nonsports]

based on past history
I'd say Donald never signs the same way twice

[thenavarro]

Here's item numbers of some of these that have sold or are listed via Ebay that I suspect are autopenned

122194884285

192022995956

172403237555

391619289261

162275222587

[1952boyntoncollector]

I have worked on capital hill, the autopen machine is funny (assuming they are using the one we used in the senate, i am sure many people think their letter was really signed but its a machine that does it and takes a little longer than a real autograph.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Jake,
Auto pens have been around for approx 50 years and are well known amongst autograph collectors. It is not difficult to differentiate once you know what you are looking for. Most advanced autograph guys are not going to be fooled. That being said, yes there are a number of people out there that think they have a genuine signed item.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I have worked on capital hill, the autopen machine is funny (assuming they are using the one we used in the senate, i am sure many people think their letter was really signed but its a machine that does it and takes a little longer than a real autograph.

I have been offered so many autopen political items. People receive form letter with best wishes from a President and they believe it is really signed by the President. Most times they do not believe it when I tell them sorry it is not really signed.

[clydepepper]

Oh, excuse me...I just threw up!





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[packs]

Stamps are just as popular as the auto pen. Even Lawrence Taylor used a stamp. I have several of them I got returned through the mail. The difference is obvious and he's not even a politician.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Many athletes have used auto pens as well. Jack Nicklaus is quite common. Mickey Mantle even used one.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Many athletes have used auto pens as well. Jack Nicklaus is quite common. Mickey Mantle even used one.

I have never heard of Mantle using an Autopen. (Rubber stamps, yes.)

Do you have examples?

[Duluth Eskimo]

I'll try to look. I got it in a collection and put it with the other bad stuff for reference.