Luke Heimlich - assaulting niece and MLB bound?

[Econteachert205]

If I wereadvising him I'd say go play overseas in Japan for a few years.

[pokerplyr80]

I am not in favor of ruining someone's life or career over one mistake, especially since this occurred as a minor and the record was supposed to be sealed. He has served his sentence, and deserves a chance to earn a living in my opinion.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I am not in favor of ruining someone's life or career over one mistake, especially since this occurred as a minor and the record was supposed to be sealed. He has served his sentence, and deserves a chance to earn a living in my opinion.

So does serving sentence matter? To me would depend on what the one mistake is to see about if it ruins your life.

Lots of bad guys do horrific crimes and serve their sentence that you wouldnt want to play baseball. I never understood the 'serve your sentence' argument There is earning a living doing things and earning a living in the public forum of baseball. I am sure some will argue he deserves to earn a living but not in baseball.

Rae Carruth served his sentence, if he could still play in the NFL noone would hire him, even if the murder he committed was his only one mistake and even if he did it as 17 year old minor for sake of argument

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So does serving sentence matter? To me would depend on what the one mistake is to see about if it ruins your life.

Lots of bad guys do horrific crimes and serve their sentence that you wouldnt want to play baseball. I never understood the 'serve your sentence' argument There is earning a living doing things and earning a living in the public forum of baseball. I am sure some will argue he deserves to hearn a living but not in baseball.

Rae Carruth served his sentence, if he could still play in the NFL noone would hire him, even if the murder he committed was his only one mistake and even if he did it as 17 year old minor for sake of argument

I don't understand the "earn a living, but not playing baseball " line. If he had an overwhelming talent for architecture, would you let him do that? Or can he only earn a living at something menial and demeaning? What is the line? And please don't tell me it's a "privilege" to play pro sports, not with all the A-Holes people cheer for today.

I think this is such a difficult dilemma, but to me, if he deserves a second chance, he deserves it at what he does best. His crime was against a child, so keep him away from children (which he appears to have been doing in college ), but I think he deserves to play.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So does serving sentence matter? To me would depend on what the one mistake is to see about if it ruins your life.

Lots of bad guys do horrific crimes and serve their sentence that you wouldnt want to play baseball. I never understood the 'serve your sentence' argument There is earning a living doing things and earning a living in the public forum of baseball. I am sure some will argue he deserves to hearn a living but not in baseball.

Rae Carruth served his sentence, if he could still play in the NFL noone would hire him, even if the murder he committed was his only one mistake and even if he did it as 17 year old minor for sake of argument

I don't understand the "earn a living, but not playing baseball " line. If he had an overwhelming talent for architecture, would you let him do that? Or can he only earn a living at something menial and demeaning? What is the line? And please don't tell me it's a "privilege" to play pro sports, not with all the A-Holes people cheer for today.

I think this is such a difficult dilemma, but to me, if he deserves a second chance, he deserves it at what he does best. His crime was against a child, so keep him away from children (which he appears to have been doing in college ), but I think he deserves to play.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't understand the "earn a living, but not playing baseball " line. If he had an overwhelming talent for architecture, would you let him do that? Or can he only earn a living at something menial and demeaning? What is the line? And please don't tell me it's a "privilege" to play pro sports, not with all the A-Holes people cheer for today.

I think this is such a difficult dilemma, but to me, if he deserves a second chance, he deserves it at what he does best. His crime was against a child, so keep him away from children (which he appears to have been doing in college ), but I think he deserves to play.

baseball is more of a public domain that being an architect...you need a community to support a baseball team...tax dollars...bringing familiies for family day....tons of special days and events for the public....

there isnt children run the bases after someone submits architecture plans...

again, i am on the fence in this..but you cant deny there is a difference in earning a living as an architect versus making millions based on public support in an entertainment type business. He doesnt have to have a job thats demeaning...but earning a living doesnt have to be playing baseball..he can earn a living doing many other non demeaning things..even making millions and millions of dollars...but earn a living doesnt mean have to play MLB baseball..

and dont say there is politics in baseball.....there are many players that dont get a chance to play based on certain politics.(country they are from, who their agent is...alleged PED)..and not being able to play because of being a convicted child molester would not make make him more sympathetic than others




Perception is reality...and being in your face everyday playing baseball to the many cheers of the public is tough to stomach versus working in the back office submitting blueprints..even if he makes 10 million as an architect

Serving your times means something..but it doesnt mean you have no consequences in the future..

He could be a tax dodger or had many other types of crimes...but sex predator...after all i can see someone being convicted of some bad felony and attempt to get a job by saying 'its not like i was a convicted child molester' as a reason to have a second chance

you are entitled to have a second chance at life...but you arent entitled to have a second chance in everything........ i am a fan of giving people first chances (people who did not commit child molestation crimes) versus giving second chances......

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I am not in favor of ruining someone's life or career over one mistake, especially since this occurred as a minor and the record was supposed to be sealed. He has served his sentence, and deserves a chance to earn a living in my opinion.

This was not a " one time " occurrence, or " one mistake ". The sexual assault occurred over a two year span.

He certainly deserves an opportunity to earn a living. It may not be as a professional athlete, but he certainly will be able to gain employment in some capacity. That will be up to whomever decides to hire him. However, baseball does not owe him that opportunity.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

If I wereadvising him I'd say go play overseas in Japan for a few years.

so how many years do we all forget and he comes back to open arms

[packs]

I feel like when people say things like "one mistake shouldn't ruin a life" or "he paid his debt" that is really minimizing the victim's experience. A child who is assaulted is going to suffer from that assault for their entire life. There is no "debt paid" for them. They will always pay. And while I've heard his comments about his guilty plea, I don't see why anyone would plea to charges like those just to be over and done with the episode. It's not like he admitted to vandalism or something like that. Those were pretty disturbing charges to casually plead guilty to, if his comments are to be believed.

[pclpads]

A variation on the Heimlich Maneuver.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so how many years do we all forget and he comes back to open arms

I am pretty comfortable that the hecklers in every major league stadium will not forget...ever. He would need 5 consecutive Cy Youngs to stop getting boos in his home stadium.

Example: this is the headline for his performance in game 1 of the College WS -

"One bad inning sinks convicted child molester at College World Series"
By Associated Press June 27, 2018 | 12:56am


Anyone think that will stop anytime soon?

[Exhibitman]

I don't know what to say on this one. I will say this: in our hobby there are a number of convicted felons who are dealers. If you are willing to do business with them, having this kid play baseball shouldn't be all that troubling.

[packs]

Felon is a broad stroke though.