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Old 08-16-2019, 10:22 AM
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Default Why is this card in a GAI holder ?

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58252

So, what prevented this card from eventually getting into a PSA or SGC holder ? I highly doubt it was from lack of trying.

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Old 08-16-2019, 10:28 AM
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The card looks good. I'm guessing it's a min grade issue with the light seam through the middl, marks, and stains on the back.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:29 AM
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i have been thinking the same thing.... even if it grades authentic, it still is a nice looking card.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:41 AM
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"Several moderate to heavy creases are present across the card front and would cause us to grade this card more conservatively despite a superior appearance."

would probably grade a 1.5 at best with PSA or SGC. maybe a 2.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:42 AM
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The folks at REA also seem to think it is over graded: "Several moderate to heavy creases are present across the card front and would cause us to grade this card more conservatively despite a superior appearance." I would suspect the consignor thinks it will do better in a GAI 3 then a PSA or SGC 1.5 or worse.
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Old 08-16-2019, 10:45 AM
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but it would do better in a psa/sgc 1.5 than a GAI 3!!!

still a badass card!!!
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:00 AM
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Red ink on the back might also get it a MK qualifier in a PSA holder. I'd guess a FAIR 1.5 MK.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:06 AM
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but it would do better in a psa/sgc 1.5 than a GAI 3!!!

still a badass card!!!
Probably right, but there is also something going on in the top and bottom border as well (on second look, maybe what I'm seeing is just a shadow) so no guarantee that it won't come back a 1 or A. In that case, the GAI 3 looks like an even better option, especially if REA pushes the grading fee to the consignor. Depending on company used, the grading fee alone for this card is going to be $500-$1k.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:06 AM
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Bottom border looks messed with to me.
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:36 AM
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I have to imagine that if this card could have gotten into a numerical SGC or PSA flip, it would be in one; maybe the owner determined a GAI 3 is better than a an SGC or PSA "A".
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Old 08-16-2019, 11:40 AM
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Interesting, how this inferior looking SGC 1 has a higher bid right now.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58263
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Old 08-16-2019, 12:21 PM
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In addition to REA's comments about the card being overgraded, look at how banged up the holder is; especially at the bottom corners and on the back.

It "almost" looks like the slab may have been tampered with (and the original card switched for a lesser one?????).

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Old 08-16-2019, 12:30 PM
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I wanted to clear a few things up on this card to correct any misinformation and potentially provide some clarification on a few things.

We received the card on consignment in the GAI 3 holder. It had been in our consignor's collection for roughly a decade.

We did not attempt to cross this card over. While the consignor has generally allowed us to do that on GAI cards in the past where we feel the same grade or a close grade is attainable, he has generally set the downgrade floor at a one grade maximum. In this case, we feel the card would very likely grade a 1.5 so we did not even bother paying the fee, which can be substantial, as we did not feel a crossover within his parameters was attainable.

The card measures full size and shows no signs of alteration or evidence of trimming that we can detect. There are no signs of tampering with the case. The GAI gasket creates a shadow on the front top and bottom borders. While we cannot guarantee what any grading company would do with the card if given the chance, we feel the right outcome for this card would be a 1.5.

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Old 08-17-2019, 12:56 AM
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Either way that is a beautiful card. Way nicer than the SGC one at the same price.
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Old 08-17-2019, 12:27 PM
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So, what prevented this card from eventually getting into a PSA or SGC holder ? I highly doubt it was from lack of trying.

Looking forward to reading some expert opinions.

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Because it's worth more in the GAI holder.
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Old 08-17-2019, 06:43 PM
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With all the expert graders on here, I think you should all apply for a job with a grading company. Grading from a picture is nonsense.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:45 PM
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With all the expert graders on here, I think you should all apply for a job with a grading company. Grading from a picture is nonsense.
Only if you're this guy..... who may just be the head grader at PSA

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Old 08-18-2019, 08:51 AM
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He is overqualified. I am always leery of cards in GAI holders.

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Old 08-18-2019, 09:32 AM
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He is overqualified. I am always leery of cards in GAI holders.


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Me too Leon. I recently broke out a 1952 Bowman Musial and got an even cross into PSA. I guess you have to be the judge yourself of the card in the holder. And willing to roll the dice. IMHO, it HAS to be cracked out. I would never attempt a crossover in their case.
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Old 08-18-2019, 10:20 AM
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GAI cards are just fine. It was a strange transitional period but when they first came around I decided to have them entomb my N29 cards and subsequently a few Sweet Caporal sealed packs. Quite a few of the cards were labeled "first graded" as a result. For what it's worth I no longer have any GAI cards :-) One of the packs however realized over 2000.00.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:30 PM
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I cannot speak about this card, but I can say some (positive) things about the original incarnation of GAI.

When I first started collecting pre-war, I had a bunch of cards graded by GAI (over a decade ago). These were mostly Cracker Jacks, and all I wanted was the protection afforded by a holder. I really wasn't into grading or looking at grading companies under the microscope because I am a collector and had no intention of selling.

My cards were very stringently graded by someone there (I think his name was Baker?), and in fact, I thought they were very conservatively graded. So I took a handful of them over to SGC just for fun.

3 out of 6 actually graded higher than the GAI grade, one did not cross over to a higher grade, and 2 out of 6 remained at the same grade.

So I think that it is a mistake to assume that because it is in a GAI holder, it must have been "messed with." If fact, good deals can be had for this very same reason. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:42 PM
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Mike Baker was the grader and part owner of GAI. Mike used to be head grader at PSA prior to him leaving and starting GAI. The first couple of years their grades were spot on but then things started slipping after that. Not sure what happened. If you have a card that was graded within the first couple of years of their inception the grade should be considered correct.
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I cannot speak about this card, but I can say some (positive) things about the original incarnation of GAI.

When I first started collecting pre-war, I had a bunch of cards graded by GAI (over a decade ago). These were mostly Cracker Jacks, and all I wanted was the protection afforded by a holder. I really wasn't into grading or looking at grading companies under the microscope because I am a collector and had no intention of selling.

My cards were very stringently graded by someone there (I think his name was Baker?), and in fact, I thought they were very conservatively graded. So I took a handful of them over to SGC just for fun.

3 out of 6 actually graded higher than the GAI grade, one did not cross over to a higher grade, and 2 out of 6 remained at the same grade.

So I think that it is a mistake to assume that because it is in a GAI holder, it must have been "messed with." If fact, good deals can be had for this very same reason. Just my opinion.
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well said. your opinion is held by the majority of collectors if iím not mistaking.
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Old 08-18-2019, 08:46 PM
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personally, I find it somewhat amusing that we all seem to agree with this axiom...
except when it comes to gai.
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Thanks for all the responses. I placed a bid in extended bidding, but didnít come out on top.
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My Lajoie just loves his little holder along with a few of his friends - Baker graded these way way back. GAI was good when they first started.
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