PWCC PSA2 T3 Cobb

[jayshum]

Anyone have thoughts about the PSA2 T3 Cobb that PWCC just listed? Given everything that has come out recently, is it worth bidding on?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T3-Tur...MAAOSwndZdHlBb

They also have an SGC 1.5 with 2 pinholes listed, but I am trying to avoid cards with pinholes.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Getting an error trying to use your link

[jayshum]

I just tried it again and it worked ok for me. Here it is again.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T3-Tur...MAAOSwndZdHlBb

[frankbmd]

Dear Abby,

I am asking for your advice about bidding on a PWCC auction.

Sincerely,



Try this, just copy and paste and send to www.DearAbby.com

[C-mack]

Lol made a comment on the wrong card , sorry haha

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

working now.

[jayshum]

The SGC card has an arrow pointing to Cobb's name on the back. I don't see a mark on the PSA 2 listing. Where are you seeing a pen mark?

[pokerplyr80]

It's a nice card that although accurately graded presents well for the grade. There is no pen mark on the card.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's a nice card that although accurately graded presents well for the grade. There is no pen mark on the card.

And since I’m on a roll here... Jesse I would think this comment from you was a bit inappropriate since you’re the consigned... saying it presents well for the grade is not an unbiased opinion....

[perezfan]

Good to know that it is quote, "seldom seen on the market as nearly all our locked up within private investment portfolios".

I didn't realize that collectors had completely given way to private investment portfolios. And maybe when they claim that all our locked up, they're looking into their own prospective futures.

[Kenny Cole]

I would not bid. But I will never bid with PWCC again, irrespective of what the card is. I've already missed out on some cards that were high on my list, but they weren't high enough for me to sink that low. Stuff should not trump all IMO. That is my personal belief. However, to each their own I suppose.

[drcy]

[QUOTE=frankbmd;1895830]Dear Abby,

I am asking for your advice about bidding on a PWCC auction.

Sincerely,



Ann Lander's saying was "Wake up and smell the coffee"

[Republicaninmass]

[QUOTE=drcy;1896031]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Dear Abby,



I am asking for your advice about bidding on a PWCC auction.



Sincerely,







Ann Lander's saying was "Wake up and smell the coffee"

Or wait for Juan Valdez's donkey to crap on your lap

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[frankbmd]

[QUOTE=Republicaninmass;1896034]

Originally Posted by drcy

Or wait for Juan Valdez's donkey to crap on your lap

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Juan Valdez’s donkey was Colombian. In Costa Rica, a fellow really named Juan Valdez was used in an advertising campaign promoting Costa Rican coffee. I do not believe a donkey was used in the Costa Rican ads.

You can’t learn shit like this on any other baseball card message board.

[pokerplyr80]

In fairness to PWCC I bought this card a couple of years ago and consigned it recently. It was purchased on Ebay from a seller other than PWCC. Neither Brent nor I suspected it may have been altered. I will probably just pull the listing and determine what to do with it next.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

In fairness to PWCC I bought this card a couple of years ago and consigned it recently. It was purchased on Ebay from a seller other than PWCC. Neither Brent nor I suspected it may have been altered. I will probably just pull the listing and determine what to do with it next.

Please do. Also clarify who exactly you purchased it from as that eBay sale should pop up upon running the cert number through PSA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by kateighty

Please do. Also clarify who exactly you purchased it from as that eBay sale should pop up upon running the cert number through PSA.

PSA site is not entirely reliable in identifying sales.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

In fairness to PWCC I bought this card a couple of years ago and consigned it recently. It was purchased on Ebay from a seller other than PWCC. Neither Brent nor I suspected it may have been altered. I will probably just pull the listing and determine what to do with it next.

Really? This Cobb is yours? At this point in time we know Brent sees dollar signs and is full of it, and we clearly can’t accept his opinion on anything in this hobby he is doing such great things for.

You now own a T3 Cobb that had pencil marks clearly on the O’s in Cobb and clearly erased now with the before and after photos.

Sorry for your loss, but at least someone else won’t be duped and assuming you bought it in the PSA 2 holder you can try and take it up with PSA to get your money back?

[BLongley]

And for anyone interested here is the link to BO with the Cobb and a couple others including a T206 Matty Portrait with apparent Moser ties.... who Brent and Betsy are no longer selling any cards of BTW...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1304350

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BLongley

Really? This Cobb is yours? At this point in time we know Brent sees dollar signs and is full of it, and we clearly can’t accept his opinion on anything in this hobby he is doing such great things for.

You now own a T3 Cobb that had pencil marks clearly on the O’s in Cobb and clearly erased now with the before and after photos.

Sorry for your loss, but at least someone else won’t be duped and assuming you bought it in the PSA 2 holder you can try and take it up with PSA to get your money back?

I’m sure Jesse will do the right thing and pull the card...

Please let us know how it goes with PSA in terms of getting your “guarantee” fulfilled. We would love to see a concrete example of PSA making good on their guarantee. PWCC has issued a few recent refunds. But very eager to hear if PSA will honor their word and make you whole.

Let us know....

A. If they make the return process customer-friendly (at least as easy as it is when THEY take YOUR money). You now have concrete evidence, after all.

B. If they try to push back, and say that you need to be made whole by the seller.

C. If they do refund you, how long is the wait to receive your money from PSA?

I personally am not holding my breath, but perhaps they’ll do the right thing? You could represent the first documented example on net54.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Anyone have thoughts about the PSA2 T3 Cobb that PWCC just listed? Given everything that has come out recently, is it worth bidding on?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T3-Tur...MAAOSwndZdHlBb

They also have an SGC 1.5 with 2 pinholes listed, but I am trying to avoid cards with pinholes.

Now to answer your question. PWCC has nothing worth bidding on, unless you want to support a corrupt company who has worked hand in glove for years with some of the wort people in the hobby. Then, have at it!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by aquarian sports cards

now to answer your question. Pwcc has nothing worth bidding on, unless you want to support a corrupt company who has worked hand in glove for years with some of the wort people in the hobby. Then, have at it!

exactly.

[AGuinness]

I think there are two approaches in light of PWCC’s involvement with recent developments: bid knowing that you may end up with a tainted card all while supporting a business that has caused irreparable harm to the hobby or don’t ever bid with them and put your time and effort into finding other examples of the card that fit your collection and budget with more reputable dealers. I chose the second option, even if the journey to find the right card takes much longer.


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[kateighty]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Anyone have thoughts about the PSA2 T3 Cobb that PWCC just listed? Given everything that has come out recently, is it worth bidding on?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T3-Tur...MAAOSwndZdHlBb

They also have an SGC 1.5 with 2 pinholes listed, but I am trying to avoid cards with pinholes.

Hell to the no. No no no no no. If this T3 is a PSA 2 mine should be 7's. My guess is they're trying to get rid of their inventory under the radar. Don't fall for it.

[deadballpaul]

No, I would not & will not bid on his auctions.

[Republicaninmass]

I guess if I had upcoming consignments with PWCC, I'd be desperately trying to convince people to buy them. This would Include but not limited to:

Defending pwcc
Telling people it's a good time to buy from pwcc
Not all their cards are altered

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[Peter_Spaeth]

I think in the context of this particular thread people are being unfair to Jesse. He bought the card from Dan McKee who is a legend here, why would he think the card had been altered? (Perhaps Dan will enlighten us from whom he acquired it.)

He then stated his opinion of and some factual information about the card which obviously showed he had seen the card. The OP had specifically asked about the card, I don't see Jesse responding to him as trying to pimp his own auction or vouch for PWCC. And as soon as the alteration was identified, he confirmed it was his card as some people had not understood that, and indicated he was going to have the card pulled.

[pokerplyr80]

Thanks Peter. As I mentioned earlier I emailed the OP to pet him know it was my consignment and I did not believe it was altered. I stated the card presents well because the minor creases and any damage is mostly on the border only and the image and color is nice. That's why I bought it in the first place.

I am certainly not desperately running around trying to pump up my own auctions or consignments. But since it was called into question I responded.

[Fuddjcal]

If it comes from PWCC it's FAKE PERIOD.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

If it comes from PWCC it's FAKE PERIOD.

Jesse bought this card from Dan McKee.

[Rhotchkiss]

Jesse, this is a crappy situation- you bought this card from Dan, who is a good guy and very knowledgeable (not pwcc), and I am sure you felt comfortable with the purchase given the seller and the PSA “stamp of approval”. But now it’s been called out, and I must admit that it appears your card has indeed been tampered with (altered). So what now? I see it’s still live for sale on pwcc. Do you just leave it there and let it ride or do you pull it? Do you, or someone else, inform pwcc (I am sure they know already)?

What becomes of a card currently in a live auction, consigned by a board member to pwcc, that has very likely been altered and improperly graded by PSA?

[pokerplyr80]

I reached out to Brent as soon as I became aware. Either the description will be updated to note the alteration or the listing will be pulled.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think in the context of this particular thread people are being unfair to Jesse. He bought the card from Dan McKee who is a legend here, why would he think the card had been altered? (Perhaps Dan will enlighten us from whom he acquired it.)

He then stated his opinion of and some factual information about the card which obviously showed he had seen the card. The OP had specifically asked about the card, I don't see Jesse responding to him as trying to pimp his own auction or vouch for PWCC. And as soon as the alteration was identified, he confirmed it was his card as some people had not understood that, and indicated he was going to have the card pulled.

Sorry, late as usual but thanks for explaining these details Peter. What's obvious to some here isn't so obvious to others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by kateighty

Sorry, late as usual but thanks for explaining these details Peter. What's obvious to some here isn't so obvious to others.

You may want to keep reading the thread, all that has changed. When I wrote that I assumed Jesse was taking the card down.

[kateighty]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You may want to keep reading the thread, all that has changed. When I wrote that I assumed Jesse was taking the card down.

Yeah I already read that bit. Still felt the need to give you props for explaining what you did when you did.

[warrior1978]

A card on my want list showed up on Ebay yesterday or today. I almost placed a snipe on the card when I realized it was being sold by PWCC. Nope, they are not getting my business. Will just have to wait on the card.

[Republicaninmass]

A saw a sweet i think it was a 68 topps Managers dream sgc "10 mint" I wanted to bid on. I saw it had been sold by pwcc a while back and I didnt bid, nor will I in any card that ever crossed his path

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

A saw a sweet i think it was a 68 topps Managers dream sgc "10 mint" I wanted to bid on. I saw it had been sold by pwcc a while back and I didnt bid, nor will I in any card that ever crossed his path

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Yeah, that's the great thing about VCP research, you can track a card back.