Zeenut/cards project(s)

[Leon]

I condensed my individual scans into one, for my Zeenuts, except for my black and white HR Kisses Shinn. Anyone else do any projects with cards that they would like to share? It's a complete run with coupons (minus 1920..still looking) and a few extras that I just like....regards

[Exhibitman]

Here's a collage of the 1907 Benham Indian Publishing Jim Jeffries PCs:



here are Lefty O'Doul's PC Back Exhibit, W517 and W517 mini, side by side for comparison of dimensions and cropping:



Here are side by sides of the (known) Exhibit Tommy Holmes and Larry Doby cards to illustrate the subtle variations between them:

[rocuan]

You may remember awhile back that Roger Hooper was arrested for fraud , fake autographs, and other assorted things. There were a few articles posted here about it. His trial started yesterday. I will send you the newspapaer clipping if you want to post it. I don't know how to do that on this site. Would need your email address.
Roland

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rocuan

You may remember awhile back that Roger Hooper was arrested for fraud , fake autographs, and other assorted things. There were a few articles posted here about it. His trial started yesterday. I will send you the newspapaer clipping if you want to post it. I don't know how to do that on this site. Would need your email address.
Roland

Anybody feel like we are in the Twilight Zone sometimes?

[autograf]

You are entering a dimension of time and space..........

[Jacklitsch]

Hate to throw a wet blanket on your project (which by the way is very, very nice) but you're also missing the 1938 Zeenut. It was not issued with a coupon attached. Having a 1938 can only be determined by a process of elimination following the Horne treatise of known 37's and whether a player played only in 1938.

[rhettyeakley]

Leon, while we are throwing around wet blankets you are also missing the 1923 Sepia version which has a different expiration date on the coupon than both the 1922 and 1923 regular ones do. Essentially they re-issued 24 cards at the beginning of the 1923 PCL season (presumably because the real 1923's weren't ready yet?) and all they did is change the sepia tinting a little and change the year from 1922 to 1923 on front. The regular 1923's obviously have NO SEPIA tinting at all. This is probably THE most difficult type to find still retaining the coupon of all Zeenut years. Non-Couponed Examples below...

[Leon]

Steve- Above, I said it was a run with coupons. So, the 1938 wasn't in there on purpose. Duly noted and known.

Rhett- the fact there is a different date on the 1923 sepias is legit (to me) and I do need one. That was an oversight on my part.

Thanks for the info guys.

regards
leon

[Jacklitsch]

Thought since you had 1911's and 1912's (which also were not issued with attached coupons) in the array that it was intended to be a complete (-1920) run of zeenuts.

Sorry if the post offended you as it appears to have.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by autograf

You are entering a dimension of time and space..........

"Picture if you will, a man, no several men who collect little pictures of dead men.........................."

[oaks1912]

Also missing is one of the 33-36 Black & Whites with coupon. In '33 sepia tinted and black & white sets came out. You only have 3 Black & White where there should be 4. On '38's , the Hollywood players and a few of the Seals players wearing the "GGIE" patch on their uniform are the easiest cards to determine as 1938 only issues (The Mission club moved to Hollywood between the '37 & '38 seasons). The '38 coupon is a separately issued piece of paper, but is quite difficult to locate. Nice display

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

Sorry if the post offended you as it appears to have.

It takes a lot more than that to offend me. You would need to moderate the board for about 5 yrs....then you understand the term "alligator skin" and wouldn't get offended easily....No worries.....

I consider the 1911-12 and HR Kisses as sort of seperate to the years with coupons. I have spoken with Mark M, at length, about the 1937 and 1938's. On a designation note, I never understood why Burdick made E136 the designation through 1914.....then E137 from 1915 on. It makes no sense to me. But we all know that he did make some mistakes. best regards

[Leon]

Originally Posted by oaks1912

Also missing is one of the 33-36 Black & Whites with coupon. In '33 sepia tinted and black & white sets came out. You only have 3 Black & White where there should be 4. On '38's , the Hollywood players and a few of the Seals players wearing the "GGIE" patch on their uniform are the easiest cards to determine as 1938 only issues (The Mission club moved to Hollywood between the '37 & '38 seasons). The '38 coupon is a separately issued piece of paper, but is quite difficult to locate. Nice display

Hey Mark
We were posting at the same time. Do the '33s have different dates on the coupons? If so, then yes I do need one. If not, then I don't really collect just color variations on these. And eventually I will get a '38 without coupon just to complete it, but I have never really looked for one. If I can find the '38 coupon, as issued, that would be all the better.

[Jim VB]

I don't care about some, West Coast, regional, old, baseball cards!

Does anybody know what's going on with Roger Hooper???


(Just kidding Leon. Very nice project.)

[Marckus99]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

"Picture if you will, a man, no several men who collect little pictures of dead men.........................."

Jeff, hilarious....I love it!!!!!!

[oaks1912]

Leon...The 33-36 Zeenuts are a very confusing era of Zeenuts to collect. In 1933, From all appearances, a set of 48 sepia tinted Zeenuts was released and marketed through most of the season. Keep in mind that 1933 was a tough Depression year and the number of cards in the set was severely reduced from previous years. All of the Sepia tinted cards have an expiration date of April 1, 1934 on their coupon. It should be noted, however, that cards from the Sepia set can be found with "Black & White" coupons or sepia tinted coupons. The black & white coupon version is believed to be a printing error....... Late in the 1933 season, a number of cards (believed to be 24) were released in black & white (All of the known couponed examples from this series are black & white), utilizing the same design as the Sepia set. These cards also have an expiration date of April 1, 1934 on the coupon........ The same design , printed in Black & white, was used in 1934, 1935 & 1936...(Expiration dates of 4-1-35, 4-1-36, and 10-1-36 respectively) Once the coupons have been removed, it is very difficult to accurately determine the year of issue. Several images were used during multiple years, with slight, if any cropping/printing variances. Additionally, checking rosters can be misleading, as many players depicted on Zeenuts never played for the designated club during the year of issue..... Since you are collecting one "tabbed" card from each set, the '33 Sepia and Black & white sets have been designated as separate sets for at least 40 years, so I would add one to your TYPE set. As Rhett suggested earlier, the '23 Sepias are also a separate set, but current checklists have not yet designated them that way. .... It shouldn't be too difficult to add a '33 B/W with tab, easier than the '23 Sepia or '38 coupon.

[FrankWakefield]

Rhett, thanks for posting those 1922 - 1923 cards. Good explanation. I had not known of that reasoning, it seems sound to me. Thanks.