PLEASE don't EVER do this to someone at the card shop/cards show......(i.e. ZIP IT)

[bigfanNY]

Sean: First 3 vending boxes 79 80 81 that have been searched and had the "big cards" removed are not worth anywhere near A thousand dollars. All the value is in the chance that you pull one of the "BIG" cards and that it grades high. is there some value for set collectors trying to get high grade commons sure.
But most importantly stepping on a deal is just not cool. I know you are a dealer and the dollars and cents matter. But at a card show, card shop, Ebay, BST, it dose not matter when two people agree on a deal stopping in is wrong. Even little old lady selling husbands collection if she is negotiating with a dealer at his table or in his shop stepping in is wrong. if She steps away then you are free to "help her"
I think twice in the Many shows I did I had another dealer attempt to step in while Myself or my Dad was negotiating and I politely using my best NJ manners moved him away and explained that when we were done he could step in and not before.
I know it is not easy when you see a card or a collection you would like sell for less than you are willing to pay. nut doing the right thing is not always easy.
Jonathan Sterling

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

Sean: First 3 vending boxes 79 80 81 that have been searched and had the "big cards" removed are not worth anywhere near A thousand dollars. All the value is in the chance that you pull one of the "BIG" cards and that it grades high. is there some value for set collectors trying to get high grade commons sure.
But most importantly stepping on a deal is just not cool. I know you are a dealer and the dollars and cents matter. But at a card show, card shop, Ebay, BST, it dose not matter when two people agree on a deal stopping in is wrong. Even little old lady selling husbands collection if she is negotiating with a dealer at his table or in his shop stepping in is wrong. if She steps away then you are free to "help her"
I think twice in the Many shows I did I had another dealer attempt to step in while Myself or my Dad was negotiating and I politely using my best NJ manners moved him away and explained that when we were done he could step in and not before.
I know it is not easy when you see a card or a collection you would like sell for less than you are willing to pay. nut doing the right thing is not always easy.
Jonathan Sterling

Jonathan, my sleep schedule has been a bit shifted since I arrived back in the country last week and admittedly in a very late night stupor I made an error. I've already apologized for the error. I vehemently disagree with your comment about "dollars and cents" and find it to be rather rude, I believe my comments on the thread actually show quite the opposite.

[pokerplyr80]

I read the thread in question and in fairness to Sean it sounded like he was just trying to help the seller not get taken advantage of and wasn't trying to steal anyone's deal. I have personally done business with him a few times and was treated very fairly.

[bigfanNY]

So you are saying that when 2 people hae negotiated a deal on BST it is ok for you to post on someone else's thread that you think they are selling the item to low? That is never ok it is unethical every time. If he thought price was too low he could have waited until the deal was completed and started a new thread about prices of Vending boxes that were searched and had all the "big" cards removed. he dose not need to apologize to me but the OP and the Buyer.
There have been a few threads about this type of behavior on Ebay where deals fall through because of this exact type of interference. No one would like this done to them. So golden rule applies don't do anything to anyone else you wouldn't want done to you.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

So you are saying that when 2 people hae negotiated a deal on BST it is ok for you to post on someone else's thread that you think they are selling the item to low?

I didnt think Sean's comment was that big a deal and, in all reality, a deal hadn't been negotiated yet when he made the comment.

There was a '62 partial set for sale earlier today on the BST where the seller wanted $450, but accidentally wrote $45. Someone PM'd him to inform him of the error. Is that interference too? I don't see a difference rather that one comment is public and one is private, but both comments had the same purpose which was to question the sellers asking price.

[frankbmd]

As a seller whose listing price is 10% of market value for whatever reason, I would find the person who notifies me of my pricing error to be more honorable than a mum buyer who wants to make a quick deal for the asking price.

I have had experiences with both types individuals on BST. The honorable ones know who they are. The others probably do as well.

[bigfanNY]

First if you look at thread 20 minutes before Sean's post there is a post that says PM sent. Clearly a buyer marking his territory. Leon would not have posted that Sean was given an infraction if there had not been CLEAR EVIDENCE . But feel free to make up some more alternate theories about how he was doing the right thing trying to help the seller and not trying to step on a deal that was none of his business.
Theory one it's ok to help old lady trying to sell her husbands collection. ( sorry not what happened)
Theory two it's ok to let a seller know about a typo. (sorry not what happened)
I am not saying Sean is a bad guy or that this is a big deal. But I think it is wrong to interfere. Like I said before I don't do it to other people because I would not like it done to me.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

As a seller whose listing price is 10% of market value for whatever reason, I would find the person who notifies me of my pricing error to be more honorable than a mum buyer who wants to make a quick deal for the asking price.

I have had experiences with both types individuals on BST. The honorable ones know who they are. The others probably do as well.

+1. I would like someone to notify me if I made I pricing error. I have done that in the past when things have been offered to me too cheap. I wouldn't want to be known as someone who tries to buy things for 10%. I prefer to try to make sure both sides are happy on deals.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I didnt think Sean's comment was that big a deal and, in all reality, a deal hadn't been negotiated yet when he made the comment.

There was a '62 partial set for sale earlier today on the BST where the seller wanted $450, but accidentally wrote $45. Someone PM'd him to inform him of the error. Is that interference too? I don't see a difference rather that one comment is public and one is private, but both comments had the same purpose which was to question the sellers asking price.

There is a big difference to me. When Sean got the infraction I actually told him to do a PM next time. Pm's are different than public posts in a thread on this forum. Mods (and other members) don't see PMs and they aren't any of our business. However, there is a rule against interfering in a BST sale publicly. It is enforced.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

There is a big difference to me. When Sean got the infraction I actually told him to do a PM next time. Pm's are different than public posts in a thread on this forum. Mods (and other members) don't see PMs and they aren't any of our business. However, there is a rule against interfering in a BST sale publicly. It is enforced.

So interfering privately is acceptable? To me, interference is interference...publically or privately. That's just me though.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by bigfanNY

So you are saying that when 2 people hae negotiated a deal on BST it is ok for you to post on someone else's thread that you think they are selling the item to low? That is never ok it is unethical every time. If he thought price was too low he could have waited until the deal was completed and started a new thread about prices of Vending boxes that were searched and had all the "big" cards removed. he dose not need to apologize to me but the OP and the Buyer.
There have been a few threads about this type of behavior on Ebay where deals fall through because of this exact type of interference. No one would like this done to them. So golden rule applies don't do anything to anyone else you wouldn't want done to you.

Sean admitted he made a mistake and apologized. I'm not saying it's ok to interfere with a deal between two other parties. But there is a point when someone is selling something for so far below its market value that the question of what's ethical becomes a gray area at best. If Sean really believed this guy was selling $1000 worth of cards for 40 bucks that's 4% of its value. I think that would qualify as ok to give the seller a heads up. What if he had posted a 10k card for 400 bucks? Or a 100k card for 4k?

The issue isn't quite as black and white as you are making it out to be.