NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used > Autograph Forum- Primarily Sports

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-16-2014, 05:40 PM
w7imel's Avatar
w7imel w7imel is offline
Michael I.
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Indiana
Posts: 797
Default ugly (IMO) Ruth

This is for sale on ebay for 4300 bucks? any takers? I have my own opinions as to why I do not like it, if some of you stronger Ruth guys can point anything your not good on, I would like to see if my dislikes/concerns are same as yours. I am wanting a to venture out to something besides a bank check but want to do alot of research before venturing that far. Just wanting to "step my game up" so to speak...haha

mike
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2.jpg (70.0 KB, 339 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-16-2014, 06:38 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

Agreed - Bad.
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-16-2014, 10:58 PM
Nyygameused Nyygameused is offline
Carmelo N.
member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 83
Default

Gai has been a joke for almost ten years now.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-16-2014, 11:02 PM
GrayGhost's Avatar
GrayGhost GrayGhost is online now
Scott
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Connecticut.
Posts: 9,089
Default

Garbage
__________________
Baseball is our saving Grace!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-17-2014, 05:57 AM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is offline
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,789
Default

The biggest clue it is fake is the GAI holder. If you see anything in one of their holders it is usually fake or altered in some way.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-17-2014, 07:07 AM
w7imel's Avatar
w7imel w7imel is offline
Michael I.
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Indiana
Posts: 797
Default

Just my opinion but I have looked at every Babe Ruth autograph image I could find on internet for last 15 to 20 years so I have become pretty used to what is thought to be a "good" signature but this one doesent strike me as being close. The "sincerely" to me is what looked strange. looked like 3 e's and the y looked abnormal as well. The R in ruth had strage pressure points to my eyes anyone else?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-17-2014, 11:28 AM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

Rats

Sent from my SM-G730V using Tapatalk
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-17-2014, 12:54 PM
w7imel's Avatar
w7imel w7imel is offline
Michael I.
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Indiana
Posts: 797
Default

what do you mean by "rats"?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-17-2014, 05:37 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

Look at the difference in our first responses.

Sent from my SM-G730V using Tapatalk
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-17-2014, 06:45 PM
ATP's Avatar
ATP ATP is offline
Jeff P0tter
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Monroe, Washington
Posts: 1,062
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runscott View Post
Look at the difference in our first responses.

Sent from my SM-G730V using Tapatalk
??
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-17-2014, 06:46 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

Or don't

Sent from my SM-G730V using Tapatalk
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-17-2014, 07:45 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

I couldn't type much via my cell-phone, but now I'm home. There are two camps on this, but my thoughts are that giving away too much in terms of how we spot Ruth forgeries, is probably not a great thing. It's good that some people have wonderful skills in this area and have learned a lot, but I'm not sure that detailing all we've learned is all that smart - this autograph sub-forum is loaded with people who sell forgeries, constantly probing us for clues on what they can get away with. Telegraphing such things to forgers, even if their forgery skills are poor, is not a great thing in my opinion.

You could argue that the other side of the coin is that buyers need to be educated. I will counter such an argument by saying that after reading this forum for years, I have seen very bright collectors miss the most obvious tells, and I don't see that changing. Forgers, on the other hand, seem much more interested in learning how to successfully pass fakes, than autograph collectors are willing to spend the time it takes to learn how to spot fakes. To sum up: when we give out a clue on how to spot a fake Ruth, the net benefit is to the forgers, not to Net54 forum members. Obviously, just my opinion.
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-17-2014, 07:47 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

I will also add that I didn't think this way two years ago. At that time I thought we needed to share as much detail as possible - it's taken a lot of reading this forum and talking with autograph experts for me to change my mind.

Hopefully there are no hard feelings among those who still believe the way I did previously.
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-17-2014, 07:52 PM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is offline
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 9,789
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runscott View Post
I couldn't type much via my cell-phone, but now I'm home. There are two camps on this, but my thoughts are that giving away too much in terms of how we spot Ruth forgeries, is probably not a great thing. It's good that some people have wonderful skills in this area and have learned a lot, but I'm not sure that detailing all we've learned is all that smart - this autograph sub-forum is loaded with people who sell forgeries, constantly probing us for clues on what they can get away with. Telegraphing such things to forgers, even if their forgery skills are poor, is not a great thing in my opinion.

You could argue that the other side of the coin is that buyers need to be educated. I will counter such an argument by saying that after reading this forum for years, I have seen very bright collectors miss the most obvious tells, and I don't see that changing. Forgers, on the other hand, seem much more interested in learning how to successfully pass fakes, than autograph collectors are willing to spend the time it takes to learn how to spot fakes. To sum up: when we give out a clue on how to spot a fake Ruth, the net benefit is to the forgers, not to Net54 forum members. Obviously, just my opinion.
I understand your point of view on this. I recently pointed out how the 1958 Hank Aaron Rare(LOL) Blue cards are altered and quite easy to make. I posted in that thread that I would post more info on spotting missing color altered cards but am having mixed feelings on actually doing it. Would hate to give the scammers any more info.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-17-2014, 09:31 PM
ATP's Avatar
ATP ATP is offline
Jeff P0tter
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Monroe, Washington
Posts: 1,062
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runscott View Post
I will also add that I didn't think this way two years ago. At that time I thought we needed to share as much detail as possible - it's taken a lot of reading this forum and talking with autograph experts for me to change my mind.

Hopefully there are no hard feelings among those who still believe the way I did previously.
I agree, just had no idea what you were implying.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-18-2014, 04:41 AM
thetruthisoutthere thetruthisoutthere is offline
Christopher Williams
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 3,899
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Runscott View Post
I couldn't type much via my cell-phone, but now I'm home. There are two camps on this, but my thoughts are that giving away too much in terms of how we spot Ruth forgeries, is probably not a great thing. It's good that some people have wonderful skills in this area and have learned a lot, but I'm not sure that detailing all we've learned is all that smart - this autograph sub-forum is loaded with people who sell forgeries, constantly probing us for clues on what they can get away with. Telegraphing such things to forgers, even if their forgery skills are poor, is not a great thing in my opinion.

You could argue that the other side of the coin is that buyers need to be educated. I will counter such an argument by saying that after reading this forum for years, I have seen very bright collectors miss the most obvious tells, and I don't see that changing. Forgers, on the other hand, seem much more interested in learning how to successfully pass fakes, than autograph collectors are willing to spend the time it takes to learn how to spot fakes. To sum up: when we give out a clue on how to spot a fake Ruth, the net benefit is to the forgers, not to Net54 forum members. Obviously, just my opinion.
Well written, Scott.

Myself and others have been hammered for years for not going into detail as to why certain signatures are forgeries and we never gave in.

As Scott previously mentioned, the dirtbags (the forgers) read Net54 and other informative sites and they make note of the comments we post here.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-18-2014, 02:26 PM
Runscott's Avatar
Runscott Runscott is offline
Belltown Vintage
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,651
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATP View Post
I agree, just had no idea what you were implying.
My apologies to you and Michael for my being cryptic in my response. I only had access to tapatalk, so tried to convey my thoughts in as few words as possible.
__________________
$co++ Forre$+
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-18-2014, 02:52 PM
w7imel's Avatar
w7imel w7imel is offline
Michael I.
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Indiana
Posts: 797
Default

totally understanable on my side to why not to go into great detail of the signs of it being forgery. I just like talking autographs and that is only reason I ask questions. The forgers do piss me off though. Because someone will get taken for 3300 bucks and think the got real deal.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-18-2014, 06:04 PM
djson1 djson1 is offline
J@son.K
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: California
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere View Post
Well written, Scott.

Myself and others have been hammered for years for not going into detail as to why certain signatures are forgeries and we never gave in.

As Scott previously mentioned, the dirtbags (the forgers) read Net54 and other informative sites and they make note of the comments we post here.
I guess I can see the point here. Giving away the hints can definitely tip off the bad guys. It just sucks though as many of us who have recently got back into the hobby could really benefit from the tips on here. I guess the best way is to just get used to looking at bad versus good ones and get a feel for them.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-19-2014, 05:08 AM
7nohitter's Avatar
7nohitter 7nohitter is offline
Member
And.rew Mil.ler
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: MA
Posts: 1,523
Default

Jason-
Look at the top of the page, right above this thread....do you see the magnifying glass folder...detecting alterations and reprints?

When I first joined the site that folder produced hours' worth of reading! Start there.

Andrew
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 08-19-2014, 10:36 PM
djson1 djson1 is offline
J@son.K
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: California
Posts: 415
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 7nohitter View Post
Jason-
Look at the top of the page, right above this thread....do you see the magnifying glass folder...detecting alterations and reprints?

When I first joined the site that folder produced hours' worth of reading! Start there.

Andrew
Thanks, Andrew. I actually never noticed that link. That is interesting.
I'll read those.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"Ugly Little R337s" aka Eclipse Import of New York Babe Ruth danmckee Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 10 03-19-2014 07:55 PM
and the ugly Matthew80 Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 21 12-16-2012 08:17 PM
and I was ugly to start with dstraate Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 25 06-06-2011 11:06 AM
good, bad, and ugly Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 2 11-20-2003 02:12 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:37 PM.


ebay GSB