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Old 11-15-2017, 11:29 AM
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Default war_eagle_vintage maybe Battlefields twin?

war_eagle_vintage has HUGE selection of raw gems but looks eerily similar to battlefield. Any chance these are legit or Battlefield scamming in a different account.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/war_eagle_v...1&_ipg=&_from=

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Old 11-15-2017, 11:54 AM
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Wow. Good bet. She's from Alabama, right? The War Eagle reference is telling (as are the photoshopped pics and overly embellished descriptions).
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:57 PM
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Good catch. In the feedback war-eagle has left for others, the listing's titles seem to match perfectly to battlefields.

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30


Their shipping "polices" seem to match up to battlefields also. Same blue background and no back scans, like battlefield.

Coincidentally, ebay is running an offer where if you list/sell 500 items before Nov 18, there is a 20 percent discount on FVF....maybe trying to take advantage of this promo.

Love the back story though.
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Old 11-15-2017, 04:51 PM
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Great catch, definitely may be the same. War Eagle is Auburn's battle cry, no? And Battlefield is from Alabama? Larry, you are a regular inspector gadget!
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Old 11-15-2017, 05:27 PM
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Appears that all stuff listed in their store is certainly TPG worthy...so why push it raw if not photo-shopped?
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Old 11-18-2017, 05:34 AM
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.I just checked out the new stuff listed last night and if these are all legitimate holdings , there should be heavily-armed security all around that home....museum-quality jaw-dropping cards , no back scans , virtually identical descriptions except for the name change in the first line.....this should be fun to watch....I'll take the Cobb and one of the Gehrigs....

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Good catch. In the feedback war-eagle has left for others, the listing's titles seem to match perfectly to battlefields.

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30


Their shipping "polices" seem to match up to battlefields also. Same blue background and no back scans, like battlefield.

Coincidentally, ebay is running an offer where if you list/sell 500 items before Nov 18, there is a 20 percent discount on FVF....maybe trying to take advantage of this promo.

Love the back story though.
Yup ...I just saw the "BREATHTAKING" "SPECTACULAR" and excclamation points about nine feedbacks down

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Old 11-18-2017, 07:43 AM
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Yup ...I just saw the "BREATHTAKING" "SPECTACULAR" and excclamation points about nine feedbacks down

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It's going to be a bloodbath of returns when the buyers find out they have been ripped off. This Battlefield ID will get hosed up with negatives just like the other one. I don't know where Karma is for this seller but it has to be around the corner. No one can do that much bad stuff for so long and not have bad luck. I certainly wish them the worst ...
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Old 11-18-2017, 08:16 AM
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I do have to admit the player quality is, dare I say, BREATHTAKING!! Now if only the green Cobb would show.
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I do have to admit the player quality is, dare I say, BREATHTAKING!! Now if only the green Cobb would show.


..outside of opening a brand new Topps pack in the fall of 1952 , I have never before seen that kind of unslabbed quality as in those scans..they are artists...

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Old 11-18-2017, 09:29 AM
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I don't understand what they plan on accomplishing if these are bogus auctions and you win but are protected via Paypal.. What would be the point of doing this??

After reading more about there shenanigans I see their agenda is photoshopping which is wrong..

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Old 11-18-2017, 09:34 AM
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Why would anyone sell this quality of high-grade cards raw??

Notice all of the PWCC buys over the last 6 months??
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:17 AM
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Why would anyone sell this quality of high-grade cards raw??

Notice all of the PWCC buys over the last 6 months??
Always the key question.
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Old 11-18-2017, 04:12 PM
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It is a shame, dragging one of the best battle cries/friendly greetings down like that.
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Old 11-19-2017, 12:57 AM
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Some very spirited bidding on some of Battle Cry's top raw cards. For example, a '33 Goudey Gehrig just went for over 7 grand. My instincts sort of tell me that Battle Cry is not Battlefields. If I am wrong and the cards have been messed with, watch out for fireworks.
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Old 11-19-2017, 01:04 AM
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I meant War Eagle not Battle Cry. Way past my bedtime.
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Old 11-19-2017, 07:27 AM
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Some very spirited bidding on some of Battle Cry's top raw cards. For example, a '33 Goudey Gehrig just went for over 7 grand. My instincts sort of tell me that Battle Cry is not Battlefields. If I am wrong and the cards have been messed with, watch out for fireworks.
It's almost certainly the same person/people. Same location, same MO. Acquire trimmed/altered cards or cards with slight but noticeable imperfections, crack them out, clean up the picture, and sell as NM raw. Offer fast refunds and just keep reselling until a buyer doesn't complain. Boost good feedback by selling large quantities of legit lower end cards.
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Old 11-19-2017, 08:29 AM
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If you do a search for Battlefield auctions you will find none.
She always has 100's of items listed and now she has none.
We know eBay won't do anything about her.
Now a new seller comes up but uses the same blue background.
And from the same area. It's not that hard to figure this moron out.
Should have picked a name not so closely related to your last one, Carol.
Battlefield0516 = war_eagle_vintage
SAME IDIOT

PS - Also noticed that she has won quite a few PWCC auctions. Has feedback that can't be checked out because it's over a year old and her negative feedback doesn't show up on her profile. This was probably her backup account to use whenever the other one got suspended. Or she just faked the whole thing.
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Old 11-19-2017, 02:13 PM
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I wonder if the Battlefield account did get suspended or something? Seems strange that a "thriving business" would all of a sudden have 0 listings.

The only other thing I can add to what has already been said, is the "new" Battlefield also uses Auctiva software. Auctiva software isn't bad itself (I use their free tools, but never subscribed), but too many similarities. Would take a long time to completely learn new software to upload that many listings in such a short time.

I like the story about "my wife and I recently retired" and I decided to sell my personal collection. A nice way to try and legitimize a lack of selling history to unknowing buyers.

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Old 11-19-2017, 02:30 PM
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I wonder if the Battlefield account did get suspended or something? Seems strange that a "thriving business" would all of a sudden have 0 listings.
I wonder as well? I can’t remember a time since the whole battlefield issue came in the focus (last few years now) where she didn’t have something listed? I would think if suspended, though, there would be some inability to search/find? Not sure how they handle that. Perhaps, as well, she set up this new account knowing the suspension day may soon be around the corner as the negatives continue to pile on the battlefield name?
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I am just thankful to be a member of this board and that alert members like Larry B. are considerate enough to share what they find.


Thank you Larry and to any others who warn all of us before we become victims.



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Old 11-19-2017, 04:14 PM
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Now there is no doubt I my mind that War Eagle is indeed Battlefields. I liked the tale of retiring, selling the collection amassed over a lifetime, etc. and thought the seller just might be legitimate. Wrong, since as other astute observers have pointed out, Battlefields has no current offerings at the moment. Just a coincidence. Doubt it.
I got caught. Won the '55 Bowman Mantle last, which has already been shipped. Will see when card received. Glad I didn't indulge myself with the beautiful '33 Goudey Gehrig, which fetched over 7K, or the DS Greenberg for 1.3 K.
This could be the swan song of Battlefields, a.k.a. War Eagle. Take the money and run or set up under a new nom de plume.
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Old 11-19-2017, 04:53 PM
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Now there is no doubt I my mind that War Eagle is indeed Battlefields. I liked the tale of retiring, selling the collection amassed over a lifetime, etc. and thought the seller just might be legitimate. Wrong, since as other astute observers have pointed out, Battlefields has no current offerings at the moment. Just a coincidence. Doubt it.
I got caught. Won the '55 Bowman Mantle last, which has already been shipped. Will see when card received. Glad I didn't indulge myself with the beautiful '33 Goudey Gehrig, which fetched over 7K, or the DS Greenberg for 1.3 K.
This could be the swan song of Battlefields, a.k.a. War Eagle. Take the money and run or set up under a new nom de plume.
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:56 PM
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Wasn't there a neg in their feedback earlier in the day? Now it's gone? Also they claim to be a member since 1 Apr 11, April Fools Day..
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Old 11-19-2017, 06:27 PM
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Now there is no doubt I my mind that War Eagle is indeed Battlefields. I liked the tale of retiring, selling the collection amassed over a lifetime, etc. and thought the seller just might be legitimate. Wrong, since as other astute observers have pointed out, Battlefields has no current offerings at the moment. Just a coincidence. Doubt it.
I got caught. Won the '55 Bowman Mantle last, which has already been shipped. Will see when card received. Glad I didn't indulge myself with the beautiful '33 Goudey Gehrig, which fetched over 7K, or the DS Greenberg for 1.3 K.
This could be the swan song of Battlefields, a.k.a. War Eagle. Take the money and run or set up under a new nom de plume.
Return it. No reason is required, but inspect it carefully and if there is ANY difference between the card and the scan, file a return and demand they pay return shipping. I did and got a return shipping label in hours. If not, just return it if you don't mind paying return shipping.

When you paid, did you see the name on the Paypal account?

In a perfect world, I'd love it if members on this board won every single item listed and returned 100% of them!
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Old 11-20-2017, 06:32 AM
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Thanks for the heads up she had me hooked with a few of the T206's.
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nice catch...I suspected it looked a lot like battlefield, but the flat out lie about retiring and selling his/her life-long collection had me slightly fooled and I bought it. There were some really STUNNING cards there (pun intended).

And for those who wonder why they sell raw, it's because there's usually a slight flaw and they photoshop it so the buyer thinks they are getting a steal from an unsuspecting seller. Unbeknownst to the buyer, they are the one getting ripped off! Many choose to not return the items because they feel guilty that they were getting such a good deal from a poor old retired person. Haha! jokes on you!

Anyway, thanks for alerting us!

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It's going to be a bloodbath of returns when the buyers find out they have been ripped off. This Battlefield ID will get hosed up with negatives just like the other one. I don't know where Karma is for this seller but it has to be around the corner. No one can do that much bad stuff for so long and not have bad luck. I certainly wish them the worst ...
Funny thing is.... I was researching this exact comparison and figured I would come here to check if anyone else noticed.

Obviously old news!

I think it is a dead give away that they are one in the same.
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:24 AM
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Battlefield0516 has tons of negative feedback yet:

"Top rated seller with highest buyer ratings"

Ebay is atrocious
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I agree that War Eagle and Battlefield are the same seller. I have followed Battlefield auctions over the past 5+ years, and thankfully have never purchased any cards from that seller. I am now though, in quite a quandary as War Eagle is selling several Hartland items that I am very interested in. I realized the photos may be altered, but my question comes to authenticity. As these cannot be sent anywhere for authentication, given the Battlefield background and history, are these memorabilia items also on the AVOID AT ALL COSTS LIST?

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I agree that War Eagle and Battlefield are the same seller. I have followed Battlefield auctions over the past 5+ years, and thankfully have never purchased any cards from that seller. I am now though, in quite a quandary as War Eagle is selling several Hartland items that I am very interested in. I realized the photos may be altered, but my question comes to authenticity. As these cannot be sent anywhere for authentication, given the Battlefield background and history, are these memorabilia items also on the AVOID AT ALL COSTS LIST?

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Why avoid them? You know Hartlands and their MO is to give immediate refunds. Just make sure the listing offers a refund and go for it. Actually, even if not, if the item is hosed they will still have to take it back as SNAD.......Good luck..

And yes, Dan, as Battlefield is a top rated seller to ebay it makes their whole rating system 100% ineffective at doing what it is supposed to do. It could actually be a lesson in marketing on what NOT to do to instill confidence in your customer base. Everything ebay does in ratings is skewed after their complete ineptitude with that seller (to me).
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I agree that War Eagle and Battlefield are the same seller. I have followed Battlefield auctions over the past 5+ years, and thankfully have never purchased any cards from that seller. I am now though, in quite a quandary as War Eagle is selling several Hartland items that I am very interested in. I realized the photos may be altered, but my question comes to authenticity. As these cannot be sent anywhere for authentication, given the Battlefield background and history, are these memorabilia items also on the AVOID AT ALL COSTS LIST?

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Hi Dave

The Hartland original 1958 -60's boxes were reproduced but it is very easy to tell as I have a repro Johnny Unitas box. You can clearly see the dot pattern all over the box that should have solid color.

Now I have never owned 1 of the repro tags so I don't know about those but you are safe with the boxes I believe.

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Why avoid them? You know Hartlands and their MO is to give immediate refunds. Just make sure the listing offers a refund and go for it. Actually, even if not, if the item is hosed they will still have to take it back as SNAD.......Good luck..

And yes, Dan, as Battlefield is a top rated seller to ebay it makes their whole rating system 100% ineffective at doing what it is supposed to do. It could actually be a lesson in marketing on what NOT to do to instill confidence in your customer base. Everything ebay does in ratings is skewed after their complete ineptitude with that seller (to me).
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I agree that War Eagle and Battlefield are the same seller. I have followed Battlefield auctions over the past 5+ years, and thankfully have never purchased any cards from that seller. I am now though, in quite a quandary as War Eagle is selling several Hartland items that I am very interested in. I realized the photos may be altered, but my question comes to authenticity. As these cannot be sent anywhere for authentication, given the Battlefield background and history, are these memorabilia items also on the AVOID AT ALL COSTS LIST?

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If you have any brains at all you would stay away from anything that Carol Battle sells. She only tries to rip off everyone on every sale, so do you think it's a good idea buying from a thief? So many people buy crap from her and are very unhappy yet don't leave negative feedback. Even if they leave negative feedback it gets wiped out by eBay because she makes them money. If people would only stop buying stuff from her period, she would not be making any money for eBay, and would be forced to quit.
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If you have any brains at all you would stay away from anything that Carol Battle sells. She only tries to rip off everyone on every sale, so do you think it's a good idea buying from a thief? So many people buy crap from her and are very unhappy yet don't leave negative feedback. Even if they leave negative feedback it gets wiped out by eBay because she makes them money. If people would only stop buying stuff from her period, she would not be making any money for eBay, and would be forced to quit.
Exactly. Battlefield has proven time and again to be crooked, taking advantage of both the eBay marketplace rules and collectors like us.

Why support an operation like that??
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They are selling graded cards as well. Should there be any concern with those? I've got my eye on a relatively inexpensive card.
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They are selling graded cards as well. Should there be any concern with those? I've got my eye on a relatively inexpensive card.
I guess it boils down to the point of do you want to support someone who cheats and steals, even if they aren't cheating you.

That said, there was a '52 Mantle listed by Battlefield earlier that was PSA graded, and members here found where the original card had been sold and comparing the pictures showed Battlefield's was "cleaner". So even on graded cards, I'd say buyer beware.
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I just won a graded card but did not look at the seller. It’s this guy. Hope it goes well as I paid right away.
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Jason, post pictures of the ebay scan and the card that you receive if possible.
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I just won a graded card but did not look at the seller. It’s this guy. Hope it goes well as I paid right away.
There is a chance it will be ok LOL.....
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Yeah I should be fine but it worries me dealing with someone like this.
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'55 Bowman Mantle received last week shipped in a Priority Mail envelope rather than the standard USPS first class normally used by Battlefields. Also included was a nice little note signed by one Earl saying he hoped I enjoyed the card as much as he had. The card described by Earl as nrmt is quite nice but the reverse is way o/c, precluding a high grade. War Eagle has no current listings.
If I had to conjecture what is going on, I would offer the following: Carolyn Battle died last year. She was running Battlefields Ebay operations and Earl was her husband. Carol, their daughter, picked up the reigns and then ran the company. The supply of raw cards probably came from Earl who built a large collection over a lifetime. Some were, of course, photo shopped but I
doubt there was much, if any, card alteration. War Eagle, aka Earl, was created to sell the rest of his goodies, which has happened, fetching some big prices. Now perhaps they plan on riding off into the sunset counting their money. I doubt we will hear anything from them in the future. Ebay will weep for their loss of revenue. Of course, this scenario could be completely wrong and they will continue on their sinful ways.
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'55 Bowman Mantle received last week shipped in a Priority Mail envelope rather than the standard USPS first class normally used by Battlefields. Also included was a nice little note signed by one Earl saying he hoped I enjoyed the card as much as he had. The card described by Earl as nrmt is quite nice but the reverse is way o/c, precluding a high grade. War Eagle has no current listings.
If I had to conjecture what is going on, I would offer the following: Carolyn Battle died last year. She was running Battlefields Ebay operations and Earl was her husband. Carol, their daughter, picked up the reigns and then ran the company. The supply of raw cards probably came from Earl who built a large collection over a lifetime. Some were, of course, photo shopped but I
doubt there was much, if any, card alteration. War Eagle, aka Earl, was created to sell the rest of his goodies, which has happened, fetching some big prices. Now perhaps they plan on riding off into the sunset counting their money. I doubt we will hear anything from them in the future. Ebay will weep for their loss of revenue. Of course, this scenario could be completely wrong and they will continue on their sinful ways.
I stated this in another thread. I finally got some replies from Battlefield regarding a delay in my refund, and while I can't be sure and I do know some women with potty mouths, the "conversation" did not come across as being from a woman. Needless to say, whoever is running the account didn't come across as being very customer oriented and not one I would ever do business again, with or without the card "issues".
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It is quite obvious what they are doing,. Here is, what looks to be, 7k+ of fraud in these 3 auctions.

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=47056

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANT...-/282733217520

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANT...T/282733218833

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANT...T/282733220044


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Sickening
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Battlefield has sunk even lower...and that's saying something!
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Hopefully, the buyers of these cards see this thread and take action with the appropriate authorities.

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The auction houses should be notified and ban these scammers.
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So the 55 Bowman Mantle that John, Yoda, bought was once graded authentic. I would say that he is not as happy with the card as he was earlier in the day. Hopefully something can be done to stop these scammers.
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So the 55 Bowman Mantle that John, Yoda, bought was once graded authentic. I would say that he is not as happy with the card as he was earlier in the day. Hopefully something can be done to stop these scammers.
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Yes, the '55 Bowman Mantle sold in REA had 2 distinct print dots in the lower right portion of the card, and these were not visible in the war eagle auction. This should be a telltale sign for John when he receives the card.
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