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Posted By: leon
I just picked up the S74 Red Sun back shown here. Now I read that Helmars might have come with backs too but it was my understanding that they didn't? A little clarification please. Any other thoughts on these are welcome too. I think there was a sale of a Cobby Red Sun recently for about 7500 plus a buyers premium. That was a great card......Anyone else have some Red Suns? |
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Posted By: Bob Casmer
Leon, |
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Posted By: andy becker
hey leon, |
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Posted By: leon
Thanks for the info.... |
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Posted By: jdrum
Everytime you post one of your latest acquuisitions, I am reminded of that line from the first Batman movie, "Where does he get all those wonderful toys!" |
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Posted By: Millerhouse
Leon, |
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Posted By: Bob Casmer
Dan is right concerning the colored version of the silks as far as I'm concerned. I've been collecting both versions for well over 10 years (no where near as long as Dan) but, I've never seen a Helmar or Turkey Red colored version silk. I know the Standard Catalog lists that they come with those brands shown but, I'ld love to see one of either if there are any out there. Its interesting also in that the Standard Catalog shows Helmar as the rarest back in the white version silks and then shows the Red Sun version of the colored silks as the rarer of the two for that issue. Anyone know a reason why that may or may not be true? |
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Posted By: Bob Casmer
By the way Leon, I believe there is also a version of the Turkey Red backed silks that does not have the rounded border surrounding the print on the advertising back. Not sure about the scarcity/rarity of one version versus the other though and have never heard of a premium for either version over the other. |
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Posted By: leon
Thanks again on the different version of Turkey Red. I think Andy mentioned that above....It's always something with us type card (back) collectors....best regards and happy hunting... |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Here are the two Turkey Red Backs... |
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Posted By: Hal
Leon, |
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Posted By: leon
Thanks for the info. I keep Mr.Lipset's book very handy.....and a few of my very latest pick ups.... (since this thread was started) |
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Posted By: Hal
Awesome pickups! Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted By: MikePugeda
Very nice silks Leon! They're pretty tough to find with the backings (even the more common backs). |
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Posted By: leon
I think about $150 is the right price....and if they don't have a crease in the middle (as most do, I understand) then the price would be really good.... |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Hey everyone, if your S74 Colored Silk is in bad shape it's nice to know you can give it a quick trim-job, hastily paste it on a backing and nobody on ebay will even notice the difference...pretty funny auction (I am sorry in advance for outing anything!!!) |
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Posted By: Ed Hans
I saw that too, Rhett. I suspect it's an honest mistake. I thought of emailing the seller, but so often advice is taken the wrong way. |
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Posted By: leon
So I am still learning a bit on the silks......It's always fun to learn (at least for me). How can ya'll tell this back was glued back on? Is it that it lines up poorly? I think I have seen other backs that lined up poorly too.....thanks in advance... |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Colored silks don't have paper backing. |
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Posted By: andy becker
that is the worst rebacking job i have ever seen. it is a s74-2 (colored series) with a s74-1 back. |
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Posted By: andy becker
"I saw some with Helmar backs with the asking price of $150 each, do you think that's too high?" |
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Posted By: leon
thanks guys....I knew my recent purchase was from a reputable seller so wasn't worried about that. My guess is that ya'lls answers helped more than just myself.....take care |
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Posted By: leon
I skipped right over the "Helmar" part of the question I answered for Mike, above. I was thinking Old Mill or Turkey Red and have a funny feeling that is in fact the ones Mike might have had a bead on.....best regards |
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Posted By: MikePugeda
Andy and Leon, |
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Posted By: andy becker
old mill and turkey red without frame are about the same value.....commons are about $200/ea. |
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Posted By: Joe
Hello, not sure if I am reading these posts correctly. All my Silks are graded. |
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Posted By: leon
I was under the impression that if a tobacco mfg was advertised on the front (top or bottom) then there wasn't a paper back placed on that silk? Is that not correct? |
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Posted By: Joe
Leon, that is how all my silks are, advertising on the front, no paper back. No advertising on the front has the paper back. |
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Posted By: andy becker
"I was under the impression that if a tobacco mfg was advertised on the front (top or bottom) then there wasn't a paper back placed on that silk? Is that not correct?" |
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Posted By: Joe
From previous post. (Dan is right concerning the colored version of the silks as far as I'm concerned. I've been collecting both versions for well over 10 years (no where near as long as Dan) but, I've never seen a Helmar or Turkey Red colored version silk.) |
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Posted By: Millerhouse
I'm pretty confident that Bob simply mistyped in the post referred to above. I'm quite certain that he meant to type "Red Sun." Obviously, there were quite a few colored silks issued by Turkey Red. |
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Posted By: Rick
What can anyone tell me about the rarity of this one? |
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