T206 Murr'y variation

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Posted By: rob

I have a t206 question for those who are in the know. What is the story with the Murr'y variation? I looked it up in the t206 museum and it mentions it is indeed a variation and is only found with the Lenox back? Is this true, I have never really heard much about it, unlike the "nodgrss and shappe" variations that seem to pop up now and again. Is there a value on the Murray floating around?

does anyone own one of them?
has anyone seen any of them graded, if so, what have the grades been?

the t206 museum says there are only 5 in existence...

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Posted By: MVSNYC

seems like the printing plate was damaged, much like "nodgrass"...a small piece of the top of the "A" in Murray is still visiable, and looks like an apostrophy (Barry-spelling?)...even though i owned an authentic "nodgrass" years ago (1st one graded by PSA, then later sold in Leland's)...i am NOT a huge fan of these "prinitng freaks"...and that is all they are...they are NOT recognized by most collectors (and grading companies) as actual cards needed to complete a set...they are very cool & rare, don't get me wrong...but i would rather pursue other cards, that's just me...

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Posted By: rob

will grading companies grade them "normally"? In other words, will they only get an authentic, or will they receive the actual grade they are worth?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

my nodgrass graded a "PSA 3" and was noted "nodgrass variation"...not sure if they recognize any other variations like that? i thinkthey grade sweeney, no "B" also...anyone elseshed some light on this?

MS

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I noticed a few months ago that PSA stopped listing the Shappe variation in their pop report. I am not sure what that means to the 4 that were previously graded as such. I have sent some "no B's" in to psa and they were graded as the regular cards even though they were listed as variations on the submission. I have been planing to call PSA to clarify their [position on these variations. Will post when I find out.

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Posted By: rob

I'll try one bump to see if anyone has some insight into this variation from personal experience or has seen one along the way.

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Posted By: Art M.

I have seen three of the T206 Murr'y, portrait variations over the years. All had Lenox backs. I believe that Alan Hager discovered this variation in the early 1990's.
Art

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Which begs the question of whether ALL Murray (Portraits) with the Lenox back are of the Murr'y ilk ....

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

Scot,

I have a Murray in a SGC 40 holder and you can read his name clearly no variation.

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Posted By: Jim Rivera

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Posted By: rob

I searched some old posts and it appears there was a Murr'y offered on ebay with an old mill back? Does anyone remember that auction? Have there been any other backs confirmed with this front?

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Jim,
Thanks for your visual answer to my query.
Scot

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Posted By: barry arnold

in response to scot, art m. and jim r., my Lenox Murray portr. is spelled Murray, no variation.

all the best,

Barry