T206 Errors and Oddities.. Show Yours

[Paul S]

Anyone can have a bad day on the board. But really?!

[thehoodedcoder]

Sometimes i can be a little dramatic, to get my point across. i think it was affective in this case. sheesh....and i thought i toned it back by not cursing.

If both of those things happened on the same day in the same city, what would be the headlining event in that little pre-news thingl?

Fill in the blank
________ story, Live at 11. Only on Fox News.


In all reality though, if there are roughly 7 percent of them with this mark. Surely, someone else on this board can produce one or even has one to sell right?


kevin

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i will not be paying 1200 bucks for a card missing a period from the caption.

kevin

Hey Kevin

Granted, $1200 may be a ridiculously high price for that card.

But, get this straight, that printer's mark is not just a "period". It is the lower remnant of the "N" in "Nat'l" of the Joe Doyle error card......of
which there are only 8 of these error cards known in the hobby.

In the process of erasing the word "Nat'l" on the printing plate of Joe Doyle's caption, American Litho (ALC) was sloppy and did not clear it off
completely. Shortly after, ALC removed this mark and a greater majority of the Joe Doyle cards do not have this mark.

We discussed this back in a thread I posted in 2007.....here's the link to it:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87066



location of printer's mark........./\



TED Z

__________________________________________________ _______________
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)
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[Paul S]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Sometimes i can be a little dramatic, to get my point across. i think it was affective in this case. sheesh....and i thought i toned it back by not cursing.

If both of those things happened on the same day in the same city, what would be the headlining event in that little pre-news thingl?

Fill in the blank
________ story, Live at 11. Only on Fox News.


In all reality though, if there are roughly 7 percent of them with this mark. Surely, someone else on this board can produce one or even has one to sell right?


kevin

Anyway, time to call Mom

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Kevin

Granted, $1200 may be a ridiculously high price for that card.

But, get this straight, that printer's mark is not just a "period". It is the lower remnant of the "N" in "Nat'l" of the Joe Doyle error card......of
which there are only 8 of these error cards known in the hobby.

In the process of erasing the word "Nat'l" on the printing plate of Joe Doyle's caption, American Litho (ALC) was sloppy and did not clear it off
completely. Shortly after, ALC removed this mark and a greater majority of the Joe Doyle cards do not have this mark.

We discussed this back in a thread I posted in 2007.....here's the link to it:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87066



location of printer's mark........./\



TED Z

__________________________________________________ _______________
_______
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

i am aware of the differences. i was expecting that if he wanted to sell it, he would want more for it. that is what i was inferring.


kevin

[mrvster]

Kevin

I've missed a few in the past

[thehoodedcoder]

i see some people trying to get astronaut prices on their doyles.

what is the going rate on this? slight premium?

kevin

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Only on Fox News.

nice deflection.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i see some people trying to get astronaut prices on their doyles.

what is the going rate on this? slight premium?

kevin

Kevin, they were very reasonable a year ago. Something happened - not sure what, but I'm glad I grabbed a nice one beforehand. I feel the same way about this mysterious 'dot' as I do about the 'nodgrass' and some of the other caption issues people are trying to cash in on.

[thehoodedcoder]

mysterious?

would it not look like a very clearly printed letter?

i have not seen an up close personal photo myself. is it part of a letter or an ink spot?

kevino

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

mysterious?

would it not look like a very clearly printed letter?

i have not seen an up close personal photo myself. is it part of a letter or an ink spot?

kevino

Ted explains it above.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Ted explains it above.

duh. lol. i have this bad habbit of half reading stuff. it is most definitely a bi product of the internet age.

i see now. yea. thats what i would have thought.

thanks

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Typo errors

.............. "Poor man's" Joe Doyle error .................................................. .................................................. ...... MAGIE error
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Printer's remnant mark....../\



Carl Lundgren missing BLUE ink


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.................................................. ......................................... PINKY .................................................. BLANK-BACK PROOF card



DOUBLE NAMES and UPPER NAMES



Walsh missing a color or perhaps color-faded ?

Hey Guys

This aint no DOT on this Joe Doyle caption. In fact this MARK lines up precisely with the leading serif of the N in Nat'l....it also drops below the line of text,
as does the N in the real Joe Doyle error card. It is indeed a remnant of the N.





And, here are some more UPPER CAPTIONS........


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________

LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)
.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

duh. lol. i have this bad habbit of half reading stuff. it is most definitely a bi product of the internet age.

i see now. yea. thats what i would have thought.

thanks

I love these threads where Ted posts so many pics and peripheral-info T206 details. I also need to get a scanner like his - thought mine was good, but I'm obviously incorrect.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey Guys

This aint no DOT on this Joe Doyle caption. In fact this MARK lines up precisely with the leading serif of the N in Nat'l....it also drops below the line of text,
as does the N in the real Joe Doyle error card. It is indeed a remnant of the N.

+1

[thehoodedcoder]

hi,

yes. that is much clearer. yea. definitely a remenant of a printed letter. before it was just to small to see.

kevin

[mart8081]

Just the one for me - and apologies for bumping two t206 threads to the front page today!

[atx840]

Nice miscut.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by mart8081

Just the one for me - and apologies for bumping two t206 threads to the front page today!

Nice one Martin... I'm pretty sure that's one I had slabbed LOOOOONG ago. It's changed hands a few times to a few different board members if memory serves me correct.

[mart8081]

Originally Posted by t206hound

Nice one Martin... I'm pretty sure that's one I had slabbed LOOOOONG ago. It's changed hands a few times to a few different board members if memory serves me correct.

Thanks - I bought it from a board member about 2 months ago. Only just got around to scanning it on (working from home today - lol).

[atx840]

Happy Bday Johnny!

[ullmandds]

As they say in MN...now thems a lot of freaks!!!!

[mrvster]

Chris!!!!!!

WOW!!

Thanks my Friend......It was a great Birthday, that was some icing on the cake

Thanks again.....my new wall paper

[Blunder19]

Reuniting the ghosts at the national this year..


Twin Ghosts!

[mrvster]

wish I was there guys

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Chris!!!!!!

WOW!!

Thanks my Friend......It was a great Birthday, that was some icing on the cake

Thanks again.....my new wall paper

Dang, missed your birthday Johnny-

Happy belated and I hope you had a blast

Sincerely, Clayton

[mrvster]

you are one of the greatest collectors on this board.....call me my friend.....thanx for the wishes

[Phillies*phan]

Instead of starting it's own thread I'll reopen this one. I was going through the set I just got back and this one caught my eye. The letters in the team name are seriously funky. I did a search of Purtell cards and all looked normal. Any thoughts?

[steve B]

I sort of looks like some letters were missing and someone wrote them in?

Could be another one of the ones where the caption didn't transfer to the plate properly, but in this case it got fixed. All the press operator would need to do to fix it would be to scratch in the missing letters.

Steve B

[mrvster]

not sure if that's ink??? added from after factory?? need a better scan...

[MVSNYC]

Looks like someone went over it in pen. is it slabbed with an MK by any chance? need better scans.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by steve B

I sort of looks like some letters were missing and someone wrote them in?



Could be another one of the ones where the caption didn't transfer to the plate properly, but in this case it got fixed. All the press operator would need to do to fix it would be to scratch in the missing letters.



Steve B

It definitely looks that way to me.

[Phillies*phan]

Sorry for the delay guys. The ink is original to the card. So small that i don't think you could write it with a pen and it's the right color. Can everyone check their Purtells and maybe we can find another.

[edjs]

Can you guys tell me why the red would be off on both sides of this? Also, are the two dots of red on the side just to the left of his head ink drops or something that was spilled on the card later? Not as weird/cool as most of you have, but interesting to me.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by edjs

Can you guys tell me why the red would be off on both sides of this? Also, are the two dots of red on the side just to the left of his head ink drops or something that was spilled on the card later? Not as weird/cool as most of you have, but interesting to me.

What you're seeing is the pink layer shifted to the right and the bright red shifted slightly left.

Under the red at the left, there's a slightly lighter band the same width as the pink that sticks out at the right. And a similar but smaller vertical band at the right.

It's hard to tell about the other spots. Could be stains, could be spattered ink. Even in hand it can be hard to tell sometimes.

Steve B

[edjs]

Originally Posted by steve B

What you're seeing is the pink layer shifted to the right and the bright red shifted slightly left.

Under the red at the left, there's a slightly lighter band the same width as the pink that sticks out at the right. And a similar but smaller vertical band at the right.

It's hard to tell about the other spots. Could be stains, could be spattered ink. Even in hand it can be hard to tell sometimes.

Steve B

Thanks, I had not thought of pink. I could not figure out two red shifts. Man, guys on this board know everything about these cards.

[CW]

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[brianp-beme]

Does this mean Ty is depicted diving for a ball?

Brian

[ullmandds]

Chuck...you're making my head spin...that is the best pick up ever. I'm so happy for you! The 40k you paid for that one of a kind super dooper rarity is a steal...it's worth millions i tell ya...millions!!!!!

I'm going to be having dreams about that one forever...congrats...i'm going to call u tonight!!!!!

Oh and for future references..lets call that one a GCNORSBMNOBV...green cobb name on right side border missing name on bottom...variation!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Chuck...you're making my head spin...that is the best pick up ever. I'm so happy for you! The 40k you paid for that one of a kind super dooper rarity is a steal...it's worth millions i tell ya...millions!!!!!

I'm going to be having dreams about that one forever...congrats...i'm going to call u tonight!!!!!

Oh and for future references..lets call that one a GCNORSBMNOBV...green cobb name on right side border missing name one bottom...variation!

This variation isn't so rare. Johnny has three of them.

[CW]

c'mon guys, aren't you green with envy.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by CW

c'mon guys, aren't you green with envy.

Yes, at your computer skills

Sincerely, Clayton

[MVSNYC]

Just wanted to share this pretty awesome grid that Chris helped create. I'm really stoked about how the group is shaping up...thanks to several collectors, you know who you are.

[mrvster]

Mike.......that is amazing!

[wolf441]

Really great stuff!!

Has anyone started a site (other than a thread) where you can post and keep track of all T206 back mis-cuts? If everyone that owned some/one was willing/able to upload them to one site, we might be able to piece together a partial sheet. Just thinking out loud...

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Has anyone started a site (other than a thread) where you can post and keep track of all T206 back mis-cuts? If everyone that owned some/one was willing/able to upload them to one site, we might be able to piece together a partial sheet. Just thinking out loud...

I think this would be a great and I would help out as much as I could.



Jantz

[freakhappy]

Mike,

I'm pretty sure those would get a qualifier if submitted to PSA.

Word to the wise...if you're going to sell, do not get them slabbed!!!

(Neat cards by the way)

[MVSNYC]

Thanks guys!

Mike- they're actually all slabbed by SGC.

[joeadcock]

In looking through some T206's, looked at this one again. There is a horizontal print mark at top white border about midline.......The topic of print marks, oddities, color changes often spoke of here. I have read some of the topic but dont know the significance of this mark. Does it change the value of this card to someone who is looking for these?. I have seen the marks on the images of the proof T206 cards that have been spoken of in past. I dont delve into this subject much but I know others do.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by joeadcock

In looking through some T206's, looked at this one again. There is a horizontal print mark at top white border about midline.......The topic of print marks, oddities, color changes often spoke of here. I have read some of the topic but dont know the significance of this mark. Does it change the value of this card to someone who is looking for these?. I have seen the marks on the images of the proof T206 cards that have been spoken of in past. I dont delve into this subject much but I know others do.

As far as adding to the value, in my opinion it all comes down to the collector. In other words, what someone is willing to pay I guess.

Bresnahan is one of those T206s that the more examples you look at, the more subtle differences/oddities you notice.

Here are a few examples:

1 - Printer's mark
2 - Notice his hat, strange red ink pattern, AB/F 350 back
3 - Crop line

Jantz