Check out these T213-2 "error cards".....Show & Tell us about your T213's

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

I've been intrigued by t213-2s for awhile now. Ted, another mistake like the one you mention is Tim Jordan, who played for Toronto in 1914 and part of 1915 but who never played for Fort Worth, yet his t213-2 can be found with either team listed. Seems there was also a Timothy Jordan who played for the Fort Worth Panthers in those years, about whom little is known. Don't know if they thought they had the right guy or just figured it was close enough.

Can anyone point me to research on how the t213-2s were distributed over the three years? Was the same group of 63 or so cards printed each year with just updated or changed team info and the occasional airbrush like Collins and Herzog?

Is there any player in the set who is not captioned with his 1914 team but just a 1915 and/or 1916 team?

Todd

Nice research on Tim Jordan.


I am still in the process of researching these T213-2 guys. However, to answer your question......Sherry Magee (batting) is identified with Boston NL, which he played for in 1915-1917.

Furthermore, my Chase portrait with Chicago (shown here) is a 1914 issue. I have seen this same portrait of Chase with Buffalo, FL (1915 issue). And, the T213-2 Chase (Trophy) card
identifies him with Buffalo.



Timeline

............... 1910 .................................................. .............. 1914 .................................................. ............ 1919 ................................................ 1914-1915







TED Z
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[nolemmings]

Thanks Ted. I'm trying to figure out whether cards were added and subtracted in 1915 and 1916, or were just the captions changed. It seems there were some changes--like the Krause that was mentioned. Magee though has a t213-2 card with the Phillies, his 1914 team, so he was around for all three years.

Then you get guys like Tom Needham, who last played in 1914 (and Billy Purtell--Detroit). Did he continue to get printed or was he replaced? And George Mullin, who has 1914 and 1915 Fed Lg. Cards and then was done. Since the Federal Lg itself did not make it to 1916, I assume his 1915 card was not reprinted in 1916, and as he had no other team identification, he was replaced. Same for Russ Ford and Buffalo.

Here's a pic of the Tim Jordan, Fort Worth and the Jack/Joe Dunn, Baltimore:

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Thanks Ted. I'm trying to figure out whether cards were added and subtracted in 1915 and 1916, or were just the captions changed. It seems there were some changes--like the Krause that was mentioned. Magee though has a t213-2 card with the Phillies, his 1914 team, so he was around for all three years.

Then you get guys like Tom Needham, who last played in 1914 (and Billy Purtell--Detroit). Did he continue to get printed or was he replaced? And George Mullin, who has 1914 and 1915 Fed Lg. Cards and then was done. Since the Federal Lg itself did not make it to 1916, I assume his 1915 card was not reprinted in 1916, and as he had no other team identification, he was replaced. Same for Russ Ford and Buffalo.

Todd

Here's one....Josh Devore's T213-2 card identifies him with Chillicothe (Ohio State League).

Devore retired from MLB at the end of the 1914 season. He became the playing/manager for Chillicothe in the 1915 season.

I do not think there is a 1914 card of him. But then, I may be proven wrong.



TED Z
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[nolemmings]

Ted, I'm afraid Devore has a 1914 card with the Phillies as well, so he was around at the beginning of t213-2. Interesting though, is why he wasn't included in 1916 for either of his teams that year, Topeka or Milwaukee. These cities had to be at least as important in the baseball world. Maybe Coupon wasn't aware if Mr. Devore's travels? Did they reprint Chillicothe or drop him in 1916?

Also, Devore left Philly for Boston in mid-1914 and yet shows for the Phillies, meaning the first run of T213-2s must have been done before his trade on 7/3/14. We could probably pin it down further if every player in the set has his movements reviewed.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here's the other Jordan and the two Devore's...I agree that we could pin down the release dates for players that played only one year for a team, but for someone who played all 3 years for the same club, 1914-1916, I assume they re-issued the same card each year. I don't know of any rare cards that fit that type of card/player...I'm going to study on it some more as I'm working on T213-2 again where I left off...I'm about halfway through.

[nolemmings]

Keep 'em coming. It also looks like Gabby Street was added after the first year, since he appears for Nashville, where he played 1915-16, but does not show for Chattanooga, his 1914 team.

[tedzan]

I found my Chase portrait with Buffalo (FL)....my guess it's a 1915 issue. Also, the T213-2 card of Chase (Trophy) identifies him with Buffalo.



Timeline

............... 1910 .................................................. ................. 1914 .................................................. ........... 1919 .................................................. ......... 1915








TED Z
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