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Old 11-14-2018, 06:56 PM
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Here, I found this last night:

It looks similar to the one the OP posted. If you compare them, you will also notice that the image posted by the OP looks like it was damaged by UV rays. This leads me to believe that it was probably a store window display.

Again, if I got some window display from 1951 that features the New York Yankees, and I were to cut out the Mickey Mantle, do you think I could call it a 'rookie?' You Americans would laugh in my face if I did that, right?

Now I do understand that it's different when it comes to soccer cards, because they were issued in other countries, and they come in all sizes and shapes, however, a lot of the old rules that were laid out by Beckett still apply. For example, for any card to be considered a 'rookie' it has to come from a set. It also has to be a base card as well. Pretty much all the vintage soccer cards that we discuss on this forum meet this criteria.
Great find!!! That is very cool that you found that image. It does indeed look like it could be some kind of display piece. Now that I look closer, it appears that this piece (picture #1 in OP) was maybe used to create item #5 in the OP. However, if it was intended to be cut out and pasted in, then it still might be a rookie, in the same way that a strip card made to be cut out by hand can be considered a rookie. I don't own either item #1 or #5 of the OP, so I can't be sure they are the same and if they were intended to be cut out or not.

That said, item #2 & #3 of the OP clearly have perforated edges (like a stamp) and came with a card stock with spots made for gluing them on. I feel like that would qualify as a rookie card, just as much as a Panini album can qualify as a rookie, because they had the same intent as a Panini album.

I don't think American rookie rules can apply to foreign soccer issues. For example if Mickey Mantle had a 1951 sticker released via an album, there would be a good argument it couldn't be a rookie card because it's a sticker and goes in an album, as opposed to card board, and stickers and albums would never qualify for a rookie according to Beckett for an American card. But I fully count a Panini sticker from a foreign issued album because this was the manner of distribution for that country and different countries have different 'cards' (or stickers).

So I am still thinking that these might be considered rookies
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Old 11-20-2018, 12:22 PM
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I asked the seller Paul (EmilyClare_123) for more info on this card, as I was curious since he got it graded. Below is his response:


Please see below some images a collector friend of mine in Brazil found for me. I have also written out the back page and translated below.

No intuito de homenagear dos craques brasileiros que tomaram parte no “campeonato mundial de futebol - 1958” loin incluida neste album uma pagine comemorative em que aperacom todod as nossos gloriosos jogadores campeoeos do mundo. Na aprestacao do album completo essa pagine sere deslacada e entregue ao seu presentanie como lembranca da “VI Copa do Mundo”

In order to honor the Brazilian stars who took part in the "World Cup of Football - 1958" included in this album a commemorative page in which all our glorious championship players of the world have opened. In the preparation of the complete album this page will be deprecated and delivered to your presentation as a souvenir of the "VI World Cup"


The main evidence for the collection being 1958/59 would be the inclusion of world cup final winner/scorer Vava for Vasco Da Gama as he made a high profile transfer to Spain’s Atletico Madrid in July 1958 a month after the world cup. I would suggest that the album was put to print in early July before he made the move. https://www.worldfootball.net/player_summary/vava/

Also Mario Zagalo featuring for Flamengo whom he left for Botafogo in 1958. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mário_Zagallo
I think that this basically confirms my thought that it was most likely a 1958-59 issue and can legitimately be called a rookie card.

Nice work!

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