Another scam-1966 Orr

[ezez420]

Another scam on ebay. Fake PSA holder. Real one is attached.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-B.../262246232349?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sophie the Giraffe might be real though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sophie-la-Gi...sAAOSwGotWmVgs

[ezez420]

I think the Orr was found as a prize in the Terocin Pain patch box. What a lucky pull!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-BOX-Teroci...YAAOSwaA5Wktrm

[pokerplyr80]

There sure do seem to be a lot of these popping up. Not a good sign.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Another scam on ebay. Fake PSA holder. Real one is attached.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-B.../262246232349?

100% feedback and experienced seller. What are the tells on the fake holder?

[angolajones]

Centering is different between the two pictures.

[ezez420]

Exactly. Two different cards with same serial number.

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[Donscards]

Ed. Great job on pointing these frauds out. Keep up the good work.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Exactly. Two different cards with same serial number.

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Flips completely different too. If cards were identical, maybe it could be explained by reholdering, but this flip looks off.

[ezez420]

Seller is denying everything. Psa needs to have a contact to report these things to get off market

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[1952boyntoncollector]

If it was a half grade ie. 8.5 than id be worried!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Seller is denying everything. Psa needs to have a contact to report these things to get off market

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I am told that ebay is not always responsive even when PSA points these auctions out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://www.milehighcardco.com/lot-17064.aspx

[Edwolf1963]

This may help in seeing side by side. The Mile High example from 2010 is on the left, current eBay auction card/link Ed provided is on the right

[1952boyntoncollector]

how we know know the Mile High one isn't the fake one just for the sake of argument..

would be nice if the real owner on the psa registry was notified by psa with the option of saying 'hey I got the real card' but the owner doesn't have to do that if didn't want too..but you would think some owners would do that....would only help get bigger prices for cards in the future...

[bxb]

Maybe the eBay one is the fake.

[bnorth]

or the most likely, they are both fake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

or the most likely, they are both fake.

lol.

[Donscards]

You can see where the bar code is different, but they have the same serial number.

[AGuinness]

Anybody read the description, including variations in cutting hockey cards in the 1960s, from this Orr card seller?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-3.../321979742054?

Never heard of that myself, but I'm not so versed on hockey card cutting history.

[Peter_Spaeth]

One can only assume he couldn't get that card into a PSA holder either.

Lots of keyword spamming in that title.

[frankbmd]

Seller's second most costly auction is for a $50 Lettuce Entertain You Gift Card.

How long will the Orr winner be entertained?

Personally I would take the salad for $44, because I already have Sophie la girafe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Seller's second most costly auction is for a $50 Lettuce Entertain You Gift Card.

How long will the Orr winner be entertained?

Personally I would take the salad for $44, because I already have Sophie la girafe.

After the Packer debacle I can see why you wouldn't choose his Larry Fitzgerald card.

[Edwolf1963]

You see the bid history of that eBay listing?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

All looks legit to me

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

After the Packer debacle I can see why you wouldn't choose his Larry Fitzgerald card.

A 20-20 tie or a 29-29 tie are only debacles in Green Bay and New Haven.

Most would call them close games.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

You see the bid history of that eBay listing?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

All looks legit to me

No, it wont be legit till bidder o***l(1) has at least 1 bid retraction in the auction.

[ezez420]

Nice 1952 Topps Mantle up there now. Guy selling sells $20 call of duty games and a Mantle. Just a little suspect....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-3...UAAOSwCypWnQkc

[Peter_Spaeth]

Probably a hijacked account.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

No, it wont be legit till bidder o***l(1) has at least 1 bid retraction in the auction.

The high bidder has 18 retractions.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

A 20-20 tie or a 29-29 tie are only debacles in Green Bay and New Haven.

Most would call them close games.

29-29 is a big win in Cambridge.

[1952boyntoncollector]

If a card is deemed trimmed, does SGC or PSA say that or can they just say 'authentic'

[botn]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

Anybody read the description, including variations in cutting hockey cards in the 1960s, from this Orr card seller?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-3.../321979742054?

Never heard of that myself, but I'm not so versed on hockey card cutting history.

That card was in Huggins and Scott's last auction. http://nov15.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=90652

[Exhibitman]

So someone from H & S could tell us who bought it. Hello?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Huggins deemed it trimmed. "Graded Authentic by SGC due to minor perimeter trimming."

The ebay auction seems to go to great lengths to suggest it is not trimmed. "This card has not been deemed Trimmed. This card is very slightly short side to side. Not by much. I have plenty of 1966 Topps Hockey cards that are graded by PSA that are the same size or smaller right to left. Back in 1966 Topps had cards that were cut shorter and longer through out the set ."

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Huggins deemed it trimmed. "Graded Authentic by SGC due to minor perimeter trimming."

The ebay auction seems to go to great lengths to suggest it is not trimmed. "This card has not been deemed Trimmed. This card is very slightly short side to side. Not by much. I have plenty of 1966 Topps Hockey cards that are graded by PSA that are the same size or smaller right to left. Back in 1966 Topps had cards that were cut shorter and longer through out the set ."

right so description is not accurate..can be returned

[botn]

Absolutely anything can be returned if bought on eBay even if it is described adequately. Despite his sales tactics he is selling exactly what he is advertising--and SGC Auth Orr rookie so there should not be grounds for a return.

As far as his claims about size goes, that is not relevant. Many issues come smaller so you have to look at other attributes to determine if a card has been trimmed. Based on his scan the top edge at a minimum looks suspect. Hard to be sure without having it in hand.

[Rookiemonster]

Wow this is some freaky snit ! I can't belive this is prevalent in the hobby .

[earlywynnfan]

POOF! gone!

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by AGuinness

Anybody read the description, including variations in cutting hockey cards in the 1960s, from this Orr card seller?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Topps-3.../321979742054?

Never heard of that myself, but I'm not so versed on hockey card cutting history.

I don't know if it matters, but that card also has a slight diamond cut. So looking at it, the front (at least) is slightly crooked.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

POOF! gone!

Chalk one up for the good guys.