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Old 09-12-2017, 06:32 PM
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PSA returns their fair share of "we don't grade this" or "we don't know what it is" or "it has to be a recognized variation somewhere else". BVG is good for what it is. But with the high bulk price and awful turnaround times on bulk orders, even the young kids are getting angry at the company and are shifting money towards PSA on modern cards.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:16 PM
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SCD Authentic had a grade of 11.
I thought that was only available in Belgium.
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:46 PM
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For vintage, BVG is the boxed wine of grading.

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Old 09-12-2017, 08:04 PM
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PSA returns their fair share of "we don't grade this" or "we don't know what it is" or "it has to be a recognized variation somewhere else". BVG is good for what it is. But with the high bulk price and awful turnaround times on bulk orders, even the young kids are getting angry at the company and are shifting money towards PSA on modern cards.
I guess to be the industry "leader" you've got to do a lot of following.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:25 PM
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For vintage, BVG is the boxed wine of grading.

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This is funny! Do you mean boxed wine now or boxed wine Franzia? The newer brand Black Box actually makes a pretty good cabernet table wine that is pretty economical and while it can't compete with the more high dollar wines, it is much kinder on the wallet. But I do get your point

As far as the holders go, by a long long shot the strongest. Hard to crack those!
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Old 09-13-2017, 04:24 PM
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Will admit I ruined a 1987 Fleer Larry Bird trying to get it out of a BVG holder. Will never try again. Thank godness wasn't a spendy card. A few years ago bought a BVG '51 Mays - came back from both PSA and SGC as trimmed.
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Slabonomics

I have collected all four (PSA, SGC, BVG, GAI) types of slabs for over 10 years in prewar cards.

I have sold all four types of slabs as well. On average I have held cards for five years.

GAI - I only had 20 of these. Before selling any of them, I cracked and submitted them to SGC. They all graded, albeit a bit lower. I have sold half of them, but when they are all sold, I will be in the black easily, because I paid less for the GAIs to begin with.

BVG, SGC & PSA - have all netted me the same percentage ROI. BVGs are a bit cheaper than SGCs on the buy side, and therefore sell for a bit less on the sell side. Similarly SGCs are a bit cheaper than PSAs on the buy side, and therefore sell for a bit less on the sell side.

At least for me, slab diversity has had "no" economic consequences. I am a collector and not a dealer. I try not to overpay or oversell. I am not truly a buy the card not the holder type of guy though, because the holder and the grade do affect what I am willing to pay, and consequently what I am willing to sell for.

The disparity in slab pricing does increase "exponentially" in higher grade and lower pop cards. The effect of the PSA Registry on pricing of high end cards is very real, but in mid and lower graded cards, the difference is manageable for me.

So I buy cards that I like or want at reasonable prices, but never exclude a card from my consideration based on the type of slab. My OCD is focused not on a particular "look" or on a "Registry" position, but rather on a sustainable, yet changing, collection that will hopefully never result in red ink long term. Nor do I expect to become wealthy because of my cardboard.

Sorry, no punch line.
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Sorry, no punch line.
Just when I think you're going to get through the whole post without a punchline, I get the non-punchline punchline. Dang!
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Will admit I ruined a 1987 Fleer Larry Bird trying to get it out of a BVG holder. Will never try again. Thank godness wasn't a spendy card. A few years ago bought a BVG '51 Mays - came back from both PSA and SGC as trimmed.
I followed this vid, from a member on here, and they were incredibly easy to crack open.

I only cracked them as I didn't like the looks of them in those plastic baggies.
I put them in sleeves and vintage top loaders and I am much happier now.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=243539
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I have collected all four (PSA, SGC, BVG, GAI) types of slabs for over 10 years in prewar cards.

I have sold all four types of slabs as well.
Finally... someone who actually 'celebrates diversity'.
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