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Posted By: rob
Not sure if anyone has experience with this situation, but I will lob it out there. What does the impact of pencil marks (you heard it, pencil marks) do to the value of a card. I have a couple T213 with pencil intials on the back of them. They are not huge and sit on the top of the card not affecting the lettering or otherwise damaging the card. Clearly, however, it affects the aesthetics of the back and diminishes the worth. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
PSA and SGC both labeled them vg, which I generally agree with if the card is otherwise nice looking. If the card has significant wear, call it good at best. If the writing is on the front and affects the image, fair to good, or poor if there are other significant problems. |
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Posted By: Scott
It appears to have some erased writing in the blank area below the biography: |
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Posted By: leon
I would give it a 30 but it would probably only get a 20 with the erased pencil. Depending on the condition of a card, pencil marks on back will lower it 1-3 grades, imo....obviously a nrmt-mt card would be lowered more (technically and unfortunately)...Each company has parameters and the lower the grade the less it loses.......regards |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
stains only, good. stains and writing, fair. |
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Is that the Cicotte that Mike Wheat had for sale? |
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Posted By: Scott
...it is. |
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Just asking because I originally ordered it from Mike, but returned it because of the writing on the back - it is a nice card, but writing on the back is a pretty much automatic return for me. |
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Posted By: Joe_G.
SGC has explained the following very general rules with me. In each case below, the grades represent the highest possible on an otherwise clean, even NrMT card. |
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Posted By: Scott
I was admittedly upset to find the writing, especially since he had mentioned "writing on back" in some of his other auctions. For this reason, I hoped not to find a "messy" back. It's now a bit more disturbing since you brought this to his attention already but it was probably just an oversight on his part. He's a good seller and I'm sure he would give me a refund if I asked, but like I said, I expected unadvertised problems and I'm still happy with the card. |
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Posted By: Greg Ecklund
Scott, |
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Posted By: Scott
I've bought from Mike before and don't have a problem with him - he posts very clear scans and I normally ignore the grades that any ebayer assigns. This had a decent BIN and I took a chance rather than wait for a back scan and lose the auction. |
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