These NL late inning 'no-hitters' are annoying

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

unfortunately the league is looking for that to go the other way...

no hitter is a whole different animal than a perfect game...in a no hitter you can pitch around the 8th hitter with 2 outs to get to the pitcher.

Very few 8 hole hitters are pitched around. You almost universally go aggressive at the 8 hitter. O-1 outs you want the three/four holes batting early next inning so few people are on base. 2 outs or runner on, you want the pitcher leading off.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Very few 8 hole hitters are pitched around. You almost universally go aggressive at the 8 hitter. O-1 outs you want the three/four holes batting early next inning so few people are on base. 2 outs or runner on, you want the pitcher leading off.

yet the pitcher makes the third out a ton...no way you allow a real hitter drive in a runner on 2nd with 2 out in a tied game when you can get an almost free out with the pitcher...8th hitters are intentionally walked sometimes..

[packs]

I don't really understand what you're saying. Pitchers hit 8th, you can pinch hit for a pitcher, you can double switch, and the pitcher is never an automatic out unless he doesn't swing the bat. The NL experiences more no hitters because it has worse hitters. That's why when an NL pitcher goes to the American League, people are wary about how good they will be. It's not because they have to face one extra guy in the line up. Most of the line up is better.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't really understand what you're saying. Pitchers hit 8th, you can pinch hit for a pitcher, you can double switch, and the pitcher is never an automatic out unless he doesn't swing the bat. The NL experiences more no hitters because it has worse hitters. That's why when an NL pitcher goes to the American League, people are wary about how good they will be. It's not because they have to face one extra guy in the line up. Most of the line up is better.

who pinch hits for a pitcher in the 2nd and 4th inning......a pitcher hitting .100 is pretty much an automatic out compared to a DH.... ..not sure why 'most of the lineup' is better in the AL.... Pujols and many AL stars was in the NL before..and theres interleague......there are guys like Lester than go 1-40 etc....good luck finding a DH that can do that and still be in the lineup..you dont have to hit even terribly if you are pitcher....you can go 0-300 (Lester almost ) and still make millions as a pitcher...you cant do that has a DH..

yes everyone that has a bat can be dangerous...but still getting on base at a .170 clip is less dangerous than a .290 clip etc...if you face a 9 pitcher lineup (take the average of all pitchers that hit) ..you are going to get a no hitter faster than facing a 9 DHs. (take the average) no i dont have statistics but will make that big leap....

[packs]

Someone already posted the averages of DH hitters around the league. They were not very high. The line ups are clearly better in the American League. Again, I will use the example of the free agent NL powerhouse pitcher who AL teams are reluctant to sign because they aren't sure how good they will be. That's because the AL is a stronger hitting league and it's not because of one additional guy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Someone already posted the averages of DH hitters around the league. They were not very high. The line ups are clearly better in the American League. Again, I will use the example of the free agent NL powerhouse pitcher who AL teams are reluctant to sign because they aren't sure how good they will be. That's because the AL is a stronger hitting league and it's not because of one additional guy.

Like what example......but the one additional guy probably gets 80 more rbis and 20 more homers than the guy guy in the NL...... where every out is tough for a no hitter , one additional guy is huge.....we arent talking seasons here...we are talking about those one or two of the best starts of a season for a pitcher on a particular night...getting to face a pitcher 2 times at least......plus as long as the NL pitcher goes to the AL and does better than 90% of AL pitchers that are there thats all teams are looking for..i think you are referring to fantasty baseball statistics...i dont care if i am paying a guy 'ace' money and his era is 6.7 as long as the league average is 8.0...for example...

so Kershaw would suck in the NL i guess.....plus its very common guys in the NL that have gotten no-nos like Heston....if the hitting is so weak in the NL...then again, that would support my argument that NL no hitters dont compare to AL no hitters ...so i guess you are supporting my argument in another way....

[packs]

What other answer do you expect? The AL is a superior hitting league in general. It's not the DH that makes the difference. The entire team is better in the box because the AL game is geared towards high scoring games whereas the NL game is geared toward small ball. It's not just the pitcher who bunts in the NL. Everyone is counted on for a bunt. Hardly anyone bunts in the AL. It's a different game but it's not one guy who makes the difference.