'33 Goudey - Lou Gehrig #92 & #160

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Posted By: rc

Another question for the masters. I have the #92 and recently saw the #160 for sale online. They appear to be exactly the same except for the number of the card. Is this accurate? I would have thought a different pose or different bio. on the back would have been customary.

Thanks, RC

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Posted By: Steve f

RC, I believe this was discussed before last year. Perhaps you can find it with search.

Something about one player not signing a contract and Goudey needed to fill the hole on the sheet. You probably know that #92 shows more frequently. Jimmie Foxx is also dup'd in this set. Although I don't have any '33s (still have '34 Lou's), I do love those Boston cards and congrats on the Gehrig. Do you have a scan?

A little background on Goudey here; http://www.psacard.com/articles/article3886.chtml

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Posted By: John Kalafarski

They are not identical: the blue in the #160 is more pastel-like robin's egg in hue while the #92 is more sky blue darker in tone. The #160 is more coveted and scarcer. By the way, the #29 and #154 Foxx are different in many ways.

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Posted By: cmoking

Here are scans of Gehrig 92 & 160 and Foxx 29 & 154, other than the slight shading differences, I don't see anything different. It does seem the Gehrig 92 is usually darker than the Gehrig 160...but I have not noticed that general difference in the Foxx cards. Possible (but not sure, could just be the one card ... note, edited to add a second 154), the 154 Foxx has a slightly bigger image than the 29. What other differences do you see with the Foxx card that I am missing?

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Posted By: RC

Thanks for the info. guys.
I just got back into cards recently and I'm trying to push my learning curve, esp. on the '33 Goudeys. The subtle differences are areas I need to improve on.

I'll try to get scans of my cards on later today. Can't do it right now.

RC

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Posted By: cmoking

Here are some other multiple HOF players which have different poses and thus more interesting. Sorry for the overkill...just having some fun as Goudeys aren't mentioned much on here.

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Posted By: RC

Definitely not overkill, I will gladly look at as many as possible. I knew there were a number of duplicate players, it just threw me for a loop when the 92 & 160 looked identical to my untrained eye.

Love the scans. I have 144 of the 33 Goudeys and am trying to fill in some of the more common players and don't want to get ripped off with a fake, so the more I know the better.

RC

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Posted By: JimB

King,
Great cards! No need to apologize for posting those beauties. That red Hubbell has been a longtime favorite of mine.
JimB

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Posted By: John Kalafarski

King: If you look at both #29 and #154 in pack fresh condition (surface) you will see some subtle differences. The #29 yellow is more pastel/lemony and the #154 is more bananna/canary straight yellow. The outline on Jimmie on the #154 is darker and there is more blue in his uniform. The hat on the #154 is just a bit darker in color. The differences on the Gehrigs and the Foxxes fade with surface wear (eye appeal trumps centering). By the way, it's nice to see some Goudey talk on this site! IMO the greatest set. More aesthetically pleasing in pack-fresh condition.

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Rogers Hornsby had two cards in the 1933 Goudey set:



... and Heinie Manush had three:

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Posted By: cmoking

John, thanks for pointing out those subtle differences. I wonder if some of those differences came about due to a slightly different card stock.

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Posted By: John Kalafarski

The entire question of how these works of art were printed is fascinating to me. If one of Jimmie's images is larger there must be a different plate. Is the method etching? No computers used here. And why is the color richer in the WWG Canadian Goudeys?

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Posted By: RC

I will try to provide a link to my 33 Goudeys in photobucket.

http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w30/rc4157/1933%20Goudey%20Sheets/