NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:23 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Nickinvegas

Does anyone know of any previous auction values for this type of contract?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772038114

This one is signifigant for a variety of reasons:

1. Raphael Almeida: The first Cuban(along with Marsans) to play MLB.

2. It was from the last year of his carrer.

3.I was bidding on it, so it had to go for a big price.

Although I am a collector of Almeida items I just could not bring myself to bid again(plus my connection was to slow!)

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:43 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: runscott

What about those three unknown 1927 cards? Ghost Marcelle did well

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-16-2003, 07:53 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Nickinvegas

Tobacco-R-Us!

He won all of them, I don't think I would have won had I bid more. As they say "he's got some serious scratch"! As opposed to my pathetic excuse for "scratch".

Nick

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-16-2003, 08:06 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: runscott

He won Marcelle, but the other two didn't attract much interest.

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-16-2003, 08:11 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: ramram

Sandy Nava was the first Cuban player in the US(1882)??

Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-16-2003, 08:24 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: runscott

Nice item, but very high I thought. Still, I wanted it!

Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-16-2003, 09:42 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: MW

Not sure I agree. The last contract for a famous Cuban player from 1918? $1,358.00? That doesn't seem unreasonable at all. If I were a Cuban collector, I would have gladly paid $1,500.00. Maybe even $2,000.00. JMO.

Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-16-2003, 11:29 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Joe P.

Steve Bellan
Esteban Enrique Bellan

Bats Unknown, Throws Unknown
Height 5' 6", Weight 154 lb.
Debut May 9, 1871
Born 1850 in Cuba
Died August 8, 1932 in Havana, Cuba

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bellast01.shtml

Enjoy,
Joe P.

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-16-2003, 11:37 PM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: MW

1914

Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-17-2003, 06:24 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: ramram

It was a very nice early game shot but I was suprised what it went for considering it was an unknown small-town game. Conversely, maybe these kind of rare shots are going to start getting more respect.

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-17-2003, 06:26 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: ramram

was directed to Scott. Bad placement.

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-17-2003, 07:25 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Kenny Cole

I was really tempted by the Marcelle, but ultimately couldn't bring myself to pay $1,500 for an itty bitty card from a set that I had never heard of before. That being said, if the card is proven to be the real deal, the buyer probably got a bargain.

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-17-2003, 08:35 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: runscott

I don't know anything about Cuban memorabilia - I was referring to an "in action" baseball cabinet that Ramram bid on. Actually, I guess I don't know much about those either - it went for over $200, and I was expecting to get it for under $130.

I watched all the Cuban auctions out of curiosity, actually planned to bid on the folded Cincinnati stadium pic, but $399?!? Just another vintage learning experience - hopefully I don't get a fake card in the mail (catcher gear card).

Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-17-2003, 09:17 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: ramram

Scott - what Cinc. stadium pic are you referring to??

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-17-2003, 09:23 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Nickinvegas

Joe,
Good point regarding Ballan. Although some consider the NY(Haymakers&Mutuals)teams of 1871-73 to be professional teams. In my opinion I do not consider them to be organized Major League baseball teams. I would say they were considerd professional Minor League teams. Although many historians feel they were major leauge teams.

There seems to be some disagreement as to who was the first latin player to play MLB. Most credit Marsans and Almeida with this honor. Almeida is a bit of an afterthought as the number of games he played was minimal. Many consider Marsans to be the first Black player of the century as he was a dark skinned cuban.

I consider Luis "Jud" Castro to be the first Latin player in organized major league baseball:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/castrlu01.shtml

Not much of a carrer, but he was part of a championship team!

Anyway, I've gone on...

Regards,
Nick

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-19-2003, 03:14 AM
Archive Archive is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 58,359
Default 1914 AA Montreal Contract

Posted By: Joe P.

Nick:
1." Raphael Almeida: The first Cuban (along with Marsans) to play MLB."
*
*
Actually my answer was directed to your above statement.
Although it really doesn't matter if you said Cuban or Latin American, the
fact of the matter is that Esteban Bellan played professional baseball for the
Haymakers in 1871.
At this very moment I'm looking at a scored program of a game played by the
Haymakers and the Mutuals on Oct 2 1871.
Bellan is batting 8th and playing 3rd base.
Also listed for Troy is Bill Craver playing second, who in a couple of years will be thrown out of baseball for doing what Hal Chase got away with later on.
For the Mutuals I'm looking at Joe Start playing first, and Dickie Pearce playing short.

Nick, from the moment that Cincinnati started paying ballplayers in 1869, and
someone invented the turnstile, we are now talking the coinage of the realm.
Whether it's cents, centavos or drachmas, we are now in the world of professionalism.
The game played by the National Association, which eventually became the
National League had evolved from the game played by the amateur Knickerbockers at Elysium Park Hoboken, NJ. in 1845.
The young and short time National Association were the majors of that time.
There were no minor leagues at that time as we know them.
You must remember that paying for a team of ball players was an expensive hobby even then, only some bigger towns and cities could afford them.
A team or league would go under, and that was a way that the survivors would get some players.

Nick, why don't we just say that Luis "Jud" Castro may have been the first
Columbian Latino of the 20th Century to play Pro baseball in the US.

By the way Nick, that is a beautiful Almeida card in the picture thread, my compliments.

Stay well,
Joe P.

Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ruth Contract Archive Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 4 03-27-2009 07:04 PM
Montreal Wiener, Those Wacky Canucks Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 0 10-21-2004 10:11 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:18 AM.


ebay GSB