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Although my initial impression was that the Ryan signature looked legit, I am beginning to question the way the top of the "R" in Ryan appears to be labored and somewhat shaky on the right side. Ryan typically signs fairly fast, and the more that I look at the R, the more it looks as though the person that signed these labored through this pen stroke. David is correct that the "B" in Feller and the "R" in Ryan do look very much to be signed by the same signer. Typically, faked Ryan signatures that I see jump off the page at me. This one, not so much. I also tend to agree with David that the signer had spent alot of time working on getting the Ryan and Koufax right. I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like you might have a trifecta of bad sigs on your ball. Sorry! Last edited by Scott Garner; 03-20-2011 at 12:08 PM. Reason: Added Koufax opinion from Koufax expert |
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If it is a fake feller, it is a very rare ball indeed.
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lol
Almost as rare as a Feller UNsigned photo. However, this goes to show you the level of greed. Rather than "salt" the ball with a real $10 autograph, they even faked that. |
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I purchased this from B&J Collectibles (NJ) in 1998. My heart sank when I was recently reading Operation Bullpen and B&J's name came up as being a buyer of Marino forgeries. I wasn't totally convinced however because B&J did sell some legitimate stuff as well as conduct private signings. I just couldn't get past the Feller on this ball and my gut told me I had been duped. My experience is that when you have a bad feeling about a collectible, you are usually correct. Well, feel free to save the images herein and file them under "Marino Family Forgeries." |
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Welcome to the club! BTW, I recently found out that I had been duped on a vintage signature that I purchased for my own collection. I believed that I purchased this signature from someone that was trustworthy, but that was not the case. Obviously I won't be buying from this seller any more. The only good news to be had is that I learned fairly early on with this guy and have learned a valuable lesson. |
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It's happened to the best of us. And any autograph collector who claims they've never been burned is lying. It's an unfortunate part of the learning process, and serves to motivate us to educate ourselves and make smarter decisions moving forward.
Because of greed, there are fakes in every realm of collecting. It's not limited to autographs by any means. At least this was not a super high-priced item, like a Ruth, Gehrig or Cobb. Still a bummer... and most of us reading this can feel your pain. But thanks for posting it, and helping to further educate the community Last edited by perezfan; 03-20-2011 at 02:53 PM. |
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This has been a few tough weeks for me.
I released a study on my blog showing Charlton Heston signatures TTM were secretarials. Long believed to be authentic even by TPAs. http://zipper68.blogspot.com/2011/03...graph-its.html I found out one of my Mantles was fake, and a second one probably is as well. And now the No Hit King ball. Ugh. And I consider my self a pretty informed buyer... none of this was the obvious junk from ebay. It was all bought from supposedly reliable sellers. Except for the Hestons of course. The risks of the hobby I guess. Thanks for the info... I guess I'd rather be informed and know than have my head in the sand. |
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It's getting scary out there! My concern on the Koufax was the "o" in his last name looks like it was very slowly written. And the Feller looks nothing like the Feller I own.
I have a signed Branch Rickey photo that I need to send in for Authentication, but I'm worried. He signed his name quite a few different ways though so it's hard to pinpoint if mine is good or not. Nothing to do but send it in and see, I guess. Sorry to hear about your Mantles. |
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I immediately thought "Forgeries." I have a genuine Ryan-Koufax dual signed, personalized and inscribed ball. The Ryan signature came from a cousin who worked for Advil and got it at a commercial shoot and the Koufax came from a client who is a FOS [Friend Of Sandy] and got it in 2005 when Koufax was out here for the 50th anniversary celebration of the 1955 WS win. Your ball's signatures are both too wide and show signs of hesitation. The "Koufax" also is way too defined--he stylizes his last name to a greater degree.
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I found this old thread...
Is the consensus that a triple signed ball with Koufax on the sweet spot is not authentic? Most of the ones I have seen they are authenticated have Ryan on the sweet spot. Thanks! |
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Undoubtedly fake... the rancid legacy of B&J Collectibles of NJ.
Here it is today. In a few weeks it will get tossed into a ball bag for practice.
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