Thanks Adrian!

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Well our old friend Andrian is at it again. I had just listed a Buy It Now item on Feebay and almost immediately it was sold. Then very soon after, I get an email stating that he wouldnt be able to pay until Sept. 30 or a little later. (thats 20+ days) I returned with "No, that is not acceptable" and proceeded to call Feebay.
2 things:
1. I had previously had him try this same stunt and I blocked him. Apparently he changed his username and this is perfectly fine with Feebay.
2. I talked to 2 different people at the Bay and got absolutely no where after 30 mins. on the phone.
I dont mind 5-10 days waiting for payment...but...

Lesson here: Quit selling on Ebay..period.
Andrian is probably a great guy but just forgot to take his meds

OK rant over

Thoughts??

[Peter_Spaeth]

1. Adrian has issues with compulsive buying that he seems unable -- or is unwilling -- to control. That said, I believe he is trustworthy as a seller -- although to be complete about it, I did not take the opportunity to buy his 52 Mantle at a below market price.

2. Ebay is pretty much useless.

3. What is his new user name? I had predicted based on his recent pattern he would change it on September 4 and wonder if I got it right.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

He goes by 1914_cracker_jack_nut now

[frankbmd]

Well, he got the "nut" right.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Well, he got the "nut" right.

[iwantitiwinit]

Seems like he becomes acutely interested in whichever issue seems to be garnering the most attention at the time ie. he seems interested in 1914 cracker jacks now.

Hmmmm. Have you heard how demand for 1987 Topps vendor cases has been picking up lately? Apparently it's the next hot item.

[Peter_Spaeth]

SO close.

1914_cracker_jack_nut Sep-03-14 Present



t206_sherry_magie_error_big_4 Aug-04-14 Sep-03-14

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Peter its sounds like we need to do a Net54 contest for the anticipated next name change. Name the set. Name the date it will change.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Perhaps a repeat of 33 Goudey?







User ID Effective Date End Date

1914_cracker_jack_nut Sep-03-14 Present



t206_sherry_magie_error_big_4 Aug-04-14 Sep-03-14



the_great_shoeless_joe_jackson Jul-04-14 Aug-04-14



t206_the_monster_baseball_collector Jun-03-14 Jul-04-14



1952_topps_psa_master_set May-04-14 Jun-03-14



1916_m101-4_sporting_news_baseball_cards Mar-27-14 May-04-14



1914_cracker_jack_baseball_cards Feb-04-14 Mar-27-14



shoeless_joe_jackson Dec-24-13 Feb-04-14



vintagehockeylegends Nov-18-13 Dec-24-13



1935chiclefootball Oct-19-13 Nov-18-13



1952toppsmantle Apr-21-13 Oct-19-13



1933goudey Mar-14-13 Apr-21-13



coinlover1980 Aug-17-12 Mar-14-13

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Well, he got the "nut" right.

Frank, that's cruel - just because he lost a nut fighting in the Canadian Civil War doesn't give you the right to make fun of him.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Seems like he becomes acutely interested in whichever issue seems to be garnering the most attention at the time ie. he seems interested in 1914 cracker jacks now.

Hmmmm. Have you heard how demand for 1987 Topps vendor cases has been picking up lately? Apparently it's the next hot item.

We need to start multiple threads touting the unlimited growth potential of the aethetically pleasing 1987 Topps set. We could all unload those boxes that have sat in our attics for almost 20 years!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps a repeat of 33 Goudey?

User ID Effective Date End Date

1914_cracker_jack_nut Sep-03-14 Present
t206_sherry_magie_error_big_4 Aug-04-14 Sep-03-14
the_great_shoeless_joe_jackson Jul-04-14 Aug-04-14
t206_the_monster_baseball_collector Jun-03-14 Jul-04-14
1952_topps_psa_master_set May-04-14 Jun-03-14
1916_m101-4_sporting_news_baseball_cards Mar-27-14 May-04-14
1914_cracker_jack_baseball_cards Feb-04-14 Mar-27-14
shoeless_joe_jackson Dec-24-13 Feb-04-14
vintagehockeylegends Nov-18-13 Dec-24-13
1935chiclefootball Oct-19-13 Nov-18-13
1952toppsmantle Apr-21-13 Oct-19-13
1933goudey Mar-14-13 Apr-21-13
coinlover1980 Aug-17-12 Mar-14-13

13 different usernames in 1 year???

Edited to add: Never mind, I was looking at the wrong. 13 usernames in a 2 year time span.

[ksabet]

I for one would be the first to vote him and that douche Marshall Barkman back on here. I just don't consume enough popcorn these days!

[deucetwins]

Dear Leon, please let our demented friend back on the forum so that we can all discuss the merits of the 1987 Topps set. Just like Titus-itus, I hear there's going to be a run on 87 Topps Bo Jackson, making this card extremely scarce in 6 months.

[sam majors]

Don't count out "POGS" as the new comeback kid! My Pog guy told me to buy, buy and buy more Pogs. I've thought long and hard about mentioning this but this board has been good to me. Therefore I will be offering the following items for sale:
1) 10 million 1991 POGS for 17 cents
2) 100 million 1991 Pogs for 9 cents
3) 1 Jose Canseco rookie card for free (my Canseco guy says buy, buy, buy)

First come first served!
Preference given to those more foolish than me!
Sam Majors

[Jacker_ Cracks]

A quick update:
Adrian paid..no drama..
Thanks Adrian and sorry for the earlier vent

[the 'stache]

James,

Do what I do. Go to his seller page, and follow him. He will become a permanent addition to your "sellers you follow" list. Put a note along side his user name that it's him.

Then, block him.

Before you start to list new items for sale, give a quick check to that list, and if he's changed his user name again, block him again. Then, go about listing your items for sale. Unfortunately, that's the only way to make sure you don't ever have to do business with him. You have to be vigilant, but it will work. And that means one less potential headache down the road.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Hi Bill. What a great way of avoiding all the drama Thanks for the advice sir!

[rainier2004]

I believe you can set your crapBay controls to force the buyer to pay immediately after they BINed your item...maybe that option changed, but then you don't have to block anyone as non-paying douche bags will just watch the item relist.

[prestigecollectibles]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I believe you can set your crapBay controls to force the buyer to pay immediately after they BINed your item...maybe that option changed, but then you don't have to block anyone as non-paying douche bags will just watch the item relist.

Yes, you can set immediate payment with BIN. If you do a best offer transaction then they don't need to pay immediately.

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Good deal. Will do. Thanks guys!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jacker_ Cracks

A quick update:
Adrian paid..no drama..
Thanks Adrian and sorry for the earlier vent

Adrian isn't a bad guy. I personally never thought he was/is. However, I do believe there are some issues and I hope he will eventually get them under better control, for his own good. (Hi Adrian, if you are reading)

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Yeah I like Adrian. Yo Adrian!!!!!

me chanting... "Let him back!, Let him back!"

Originally Posted by Leon

Adrian isn't a bad guy. I personally never thought he was/is. However, I do believe there are some issues and I hope he will eventually get them under better control, for his own good. (Hi Adrian, if you are reading)

[Tao_Moko]

This forum does not have the discipline to accept Adrian back. Bad idea imo. Too many better than thou ego's to make it work.

[Econteachert205]

You could bring him back but put him on double secret probation.

[the 'stache]

You know, since Adrian was banned, I haven't said a single word about him. The last conversation that I remember being a part of where Adrian's name even came up was one that Jamie started, I think. It was so long ago, I don't remember. And I only posted in this thread to give James a suggestion about how he could block him on EBay, so he wouldn't have any more problems with him not paying for things he bought. I even bit my tongue the night before last when James told me that Adrian sent him over thirty messages on EBay making excuses, and explaining why he couldn't pay for this buy for a few weeks, and telling him to tell me that "Adrian has it out for me", and that he's monitoring the forum as a guest.

Really?

But when I see it being suggested that Adrian's not a bad guy, I can't sit quiet. That's where I draw the line, because either some of you have forgotten what happened when he was here, or you weren't here, and only heard how crazy and enthusiastic he was, and you have no idea just how unkind he was to some of the other members of this forum.

When a person basically wishes a heart attack on a poster, calls multiple other posters "scum bags", and then makes fun of another poster that initially tried to help them (me) for being disabled, saying they were going to enjoy watching God play with my body until I was totally crippled...I don't think that person is a "good guy". Adrian's not a great guy with a few problems he needs to work on. He is evil. Sure, he can be really nice when he wants something. Sociopaths are all like that. I don't know if Adrian is a sociopath, but it wouldn't surprise me. He knows how to pull on the heart strings when he makes a commitment to buy something, and then has to back out. Poor Adrian had a rough life. He had to take care of his sick dad, and change his diapers, and he learned karate because the neighborhood kids were mean to him. Depending on what story you want to believe, Adrian also said that his parents died when he was young. Then the excuses start to come why he can't pay for the cards he bought.

"My grandmother was sick, and I had to fly in relatives from Europe".
"My dog that I've had for 19 years had to have surgery."
"The government owes me money for my illness, and they're late paying me."
"Somebody that bought coins from me didn't pay me."

At first he acknowledges that what he did was wrong, and then a few hours it's "it's called freedom of choice. I can change my mind just like everybody else can. I pay for 99% of my stuff". He further tries to rationalize his behavior :
"That seller doesn't care that they're not going to get this $500 from me, because they know they're going to get $2,000 from me next month".

Who does that? One minute, he's telling a seller that he can't pay for that $500 card, and the next day, he's bought two more cards that cost "only $200". Instead of giving the $200 to the person he just screwed, and working out an arrangement to pay the other $300, he just screwed him totally, then got all bent out of shape when we confronted him here. All of us, myself included, tried to give him advice. We tried to help him. To a man, I think all of us told him to take a break for a while. To stop posting ad nauseam. He was on a post limit every day, #15 posts, and that was it.

"But Adrian's not a bad guy. He just has some things he needs to work out."

When a guy makes fun of your dead girlfriend in private messages, and tells you when you are completely crippled you won't have any more girlfriends, and then laughs that "women will be all over me when I'm crippled" in public, I'm sorry, he's not a good guy. He says things that are demeaning to people. He is purposely mean, saying the things he think will be the most hurtful. And apparently, he is still buying things he can't afford. He never changes.

Don't believe me? Here you go. I hope after this we can just leave Adrian in the past where he belongs. He is not a part of this forum. He is not going to be a part of this forum again. And when his name, and his antics are brought up, and brings back memories of some vile things that were said.

[ullmandds]

Bill...I agree with you. Hard to believe people on here stick up for Adrian...he is not a good person.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Bill...I agree with you. Hard to believe people on here stick up for Adrian...he is not a good person.

They not only stick up for him, they criticize those who even gently make fun of his idiosyncratic behavior. Yep it's us with the issue, not him.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

But when I see it being suggested that Adrian's not a bad guy, I can't sit quiet. That's where I draw the line, because either some of you have forgotten what happened when he was here, or you weren't here, and only heard how crazy and enthusiastic he was, and you have no idea just how unkind he was to some of the other members of this forum.

When a person basically wishes a heart attack on a poster, calls multiple other posters "scum bags", and then makes fun of another poster that initially tried to help them (me) for being disabled, saying they were going to enjoy watching God play with my body until I was totally crippled...I don't think that person is a "good guy". Adrian's not a great guy with a few problems he needs to work on. He is evil..

I'm with you on this one Bill. The string of garbage he spewed that night was disgraceful, and IMO indefensible. I'm glad you quoted/captured it, since I think he later edited everything out.

Glad he is gone.

[Leon]

I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person. That being said the things he said were enough to get him banned from this forum. They were unacceptable on any level.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person. That being said the things he said were enough to get him banned from this forum. They were unacceptable on any level.

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

I look at medical issues a little different. Maybe you don't and that is fine. Maybe you should have a chat with ole Kanye West too....You guys could be best buds .

[clydepepper]

I do not know Adrian...only what I read from your posts. Generally, we are becoming far too forgiving as a society and I, personally, would enjoy this forum far less if he was to be let back in....I do not know why he was even brought up for discussion again. Any one who would say what he did to some of our more respected members has no place here.

Stay Strong Leon & keep him out! please!

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This reminds me of the auction description that stated "Smith would have been a superstar if he only could have hit... if he could have boosted his average to the standards of the day, Smith might be remembered as one of the finest to ever play"

Everyone could be better (or worse) if they were different. Yet it is who they are that defines them, not who they could have been "if...".

Exactly. What's that line about if my aunt had a d*ck, she'd be my uncle?!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

I look at medical issues a little different. Maybe you don't and that is fine. Maybe you should have a chat with ole Kanye West too....You guys could be best buds .

What does Kanye West have to do with this? He would be a nice guy if he didn't have that mental issue of arrogance, so it sounds to me like you would be better friends with him than I would.


Mental issues still define you. Everyone is defined by their actions and the cause of those actions can always be traced to your mental stability.

Adrian wasn't to the extreme of Charles Manson, but even Charles Manson is known to have a "mental issue", he is a diagnosed Psychopath. Yet most people would not say "I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person." Especially in a way to defend him or his actions.

Kleptomaniacs have mental issues that cause them to steal, but if you are the one stolen from does it clear them of the actions because they have "mental issues"? I just don't write off peoples actions as just being a "mental issue", you either have to seek help or be accountable for your actions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

What does Kanye West have to do with this? He would be a nice guy if he wasn't arrogant
He has a mental issue he admitted to being arrogant.


Mental issues still define you. Everyone is defined by their actions and the cause of those actions can always be traced to your mental stability.

Adrian wasn't to the extreme of Charles Manson, but even Charles Manson is known to have a "mental issue", he is a diagnosed Psychopath. Yet most people would not say "I think he has mental issues and if he got those under control would be a different person." Especially in a way to defend him or his actions.

Kleptomaniacs have mental issues that cause them to steal, but if you are the one stolen from does it clear them of the actions because they have "mental issues"? I just don't write off peoples actions as just being a "mental issue", you either have to seek help or be accountable for your actions.

Yeah, that's it...Charles Manson, great analogy....Couldn't you at least thrown Hitler in there too?

For the record, I also hold people with mental issues accountable too and I think our society lets too many people off the hook because they say they have mental issues. But I don't forget they have them, if they really do. And I think Adrian really does. Even though he does have some issues doesn't mean I look past his actions. He isn't allowed on the forum, right? To each their own though...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yeah, that's it...Charles Manson, great analogy....Couldn't you at least thrown Hitler in there too?

For the record, I also hold people with mental issues accountable too and I think our society lets too many people off the hook because they say they have mental issues. But I don't forget they have them, if they really do. And I think Adrian really does. Even though he does have some issues doesn't mean I look past his actions. He isn't allowed on the forum, right? To each their own though...

In my analogy I pointed to the fact that was an extreme. The point is where does one stop looking at the actions of the person now instead of looking at the "what could have been IF...?" Mental issues or not, his current state have led people to think he is a "bad guy" .

So how do you decide when a guy is bad and when a guy is good that just does bad things because they have a "mental issue"?

Neither you nor I are qualified to diagnosis his mental stability and what caused him to be this way. He can only be judged on his actions, not his cause. No more than I can empathize with Ray Rice even if it is found that he defends his actions because he suffers some "mental issues".

[4815162342]

Leon did hold him accountable when he banned him.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Leon did hold him accountable when he banned him.

I never said Leon didn't. I said "you either have to seek help or be accountable for your actions."

In Bill's statement above he states that Adrian gives excuses for his actions instead of being expected to be held accountable for them.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Generally, we are becoming far too forgiving as a society and I, personally, would enjoy this forum far less if he was to be let back in....

Quite the opposite IMO, we let mob rule and convict in the court of public opinion too many times without due process. Forgiveness is left for those who tend to serve our specific needs.

What Adrian said to Bill was despicable and reprehensible. But mental illness is a serious issue and quite possibly if we as a society learned how to deal better with this we may well avoid a lot of Robin Williams (depression), Kanye West (narcissism), John Hinkley (delusional) and many others.

I am not a therapist or a doctor but it seems to me one of the basic tenets of most religions or spiritual practices is forgiveness. Just think if everyone of us was not given forgiveness or 2nd chances.

I am by no means politicking for Adrian's return and my earlier post was made more in jest. I am just of the opinion that forgiveness is a good thing in general practice.

[bn2cardz]

I don't even know how I allowed myself to respond to this thread. I had been avoiding any Adrian drama as much as I could, and then when he isn't even here I get caught up in it.

Adrian isn't here. I come here to talk or read discussions related to the hobby. Not get caught up in squabbles about ethics and morality. So I am done and I apologize for carrying on longer than I should have.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Generally, we are becoming far too forgiving as a society...

Aren't we supposed to forgive others?

That said, forgiving him and letting him back on the board are two different things. I vote to keep the ban in place. He can be forgiven and still be banned.

[Econteachert205]

Two small elves meet showgirls in Las Vegas. They hit it off and proceed to drink and dance all night. At the end of the night each couple gets a hotel room. The first elf finds himself so entranced by the showgirls beauty that he simply sits and stares at her all night long. While doing this he begins to here noises coming from his friends room next door, repeated groans and thumps. The next morning the first elf sees his friend. "it sounds like you had more luck than me last night." "what are you talking about?" the second elf says, "I spent the whole night trying to jump on the bed"

[tschock]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Aren't we supposed to forgive others?

Of course, should they ask for it and work to change their behavior. To do so otherwise is simply to ignore what wrongs they have done in the past while providing them a format to continue their actions in the future.

The direction we (as a society) are taking is towards pre-facto forgiveness on certain politically correct matters while at the same time pre-facto outrage on other politically correct matters. We're lumping it all into one bucket or another, depending not on the facts of an individual case, but on gross generalizations as the wind shifts.

As it relates to Adrian and what he said to Bill, it is up to Bill to "forgive" him and not us, though we can have an opinion on the matter and use those opinions for how each one of us want to deal with Adrian (or anyone). It is up to Leon on whether said actions should be allowed on his board (of which we are all guests), and his actions (obviously) show his decision, which goes well to indicate why many of us choose to be here.

[ullmandds]

well spoken...and I agree! It would make no sense for people who behave in such a manner to be allowed on this board...unless Leon wants this board to turn into a big pile of SHIT...which I can't imagine he would.

Originally Posted by tschock

Of course, should they ask for it and work to change their behavior. To do so otherwise is simply to ignore what wrongs they have done in the past while providing them a format to continue their actions in the future.

The direction we (as a society) are taking is towards pre-facto forgiveness on certain politically correct matters while at the same time pre-facto outrage on other politically correct matters. We're lumping it all into one bucket or another, depending not on the facts of an individual case, but on gross generalizations as the wind shifts.

As it relates to Adrian and what he said to Bill, it is up to Bill to "forgive" him and not us, though we can have an opinion on the matter and use those opinions for how each one of us want to deal with Adrian (or anyone). It is up to Leon on whether said actions should be allowed on his board (of which we are all guests), and his actions (obviously) show his decision, which goes well to indicate why many of us choose to be here.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tschock

Of course, should they ask for it and work to change their behavior. To do so otherwise is simply to ignore what wrongs they have done in the past while providing them a format to continue their actions in the future.

The direction we (as a society) are taking is towards pre-facto forgiveness on certain politically correct matters while at the same time pre-facto outrage on other politically correct matters. We're lumping it all into one bucket or another, depending not on the facts of an individual case, but on gross generalizations as the wind shifts.

As it relates to Adrian and what he said to Bill, it is up to Bill to "forgive" him and not us, though we can have an opinion on the matter and use those opinions for how each one of us want to deal with Adrian (or anyone). It is up to Leon on whether said actions should be allowed on his board (of which we are all guests), and his actions (obviously) show his decision, which goes well to indicate why many of us choose to be here.

I prefer to think of it as "our" community. Without our members there is no community. I just help moderate the place so there isn't anarchy.
And you are correct Taylor, Actions speak louder than words concerning Adrian.... Anyone that really knows me knows I am the last person to make excuses....I always preach about looking in the mirror...That all being said I have mellowed over time like a fine wine. (did I just say that?)

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Leon

I prefer to think of it as "our" community. Without our members there is no community. I just help moderate the place so there isn't anarchy.

That was somewhat the intent of the "which goes well to indicate why many of us choose to be here." clause. It is your board, but you choose to set it up and moderate it in the manner you do, which gives it a good foundation towards the community it has become (IMO). But of course it couldn't survive without the members as well, most of which are not here for just the free popcorn.

[Rollingstone206]

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