NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-06-2010, 03:56 PM
oldjudge's Avatar
oldjudge oldjudge is offline
j'a'y mi.ll.e.r
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Bronx
Posts: 5,353
Default Grading Question

I was looking through the Goodwin Auction and there were two cards I looked at as possible upgrades for my N162 set. These cards are: Lot #61-SGC60 Andrews and Lot #62-SGC60 Caruthers. On closer inspection, however, both cards have a small amount of paper loss from the text area of the back. My question is, can an SGC60 card have any paper loss?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:01 PM
E93's Avatar
E93 E93 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,202
Default

Looks like they made a mistake. I don't think an SGC 60 is supposed to have paper loss.
JimB
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:15 PM
HRBAKER's Avatar
HRBAKER HRBAKER is offline
Jeff
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 5,255
Default

I don't think that I have ever seen a SGC60 with paperloss, minor or not.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:50 PM
tbob's Avatar
tbob tbob is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 2,778
Default

I have a bunch of pre-war "SGC 60s" with slight paper loss on the back, but they are all SGC 20's.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Matt Matt is offline
Matt Wieder
member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 2,358
Default

whereat?
__________________
To send me a Private Message, click here.
Please check out my albums.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:58 PM
oldjudge's Avatar
oldjudge oldjudge is offline
j'a'y mi.ll.e.r
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: The Bronx
Posts: 5,353
Default

Six lines up from the bottom, right column
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-06-2010, 04:59 PM
HRBAKER's Avatar
HRBAKER HRBAKER is offline
Jeff
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 5,255
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oldjudge View Post
Six lines up from the bottom, right column
Yep, that's pretty apparent. Think they just missed it.

Last edited by HRBAKER; 09-06-2010 at 05:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-06-2010, 05:00 PM
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,981
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt View Post
whereat?
Edited - paper loss already pointed out.

The other card has it as well, just not as bad.

Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 09-06-2010 at 05:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-06-2010, 05:02 PM
Matt Matt is offline
Matt Wieder
member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Cleveland, OH
Posts: 2,358
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HRBAKER View Post
Yep, that pretty apparent. Think they just missed it.
Agreed.
__________________
To send me a Private Message, click here.
Please check out my albums.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-06-2010, 05:24 PM
Rob D. Rob D. is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,422
Default

Just another reminder, folks, that we should question all graded cards. Always.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-06-2010, 06:02 PM
rdixon1208's Avatar
rdixon1208 rdixon1208 is offline
R Dixon
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Houston Area
Posts: 626
Default .

This is one issue that I really disagree with the grading companies on. I know it's subjective, but a card with no creases, stains, etc. will often get a 20 because of a small amount of paper loss on the back of the card. Then a card with a crease, a stain, and worn out edges will get a 30.

The good news is you can get the nicer card in the 20 holder for cheaper than the other.
__________________
R Dixon
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-06-2010, 06:23 PM
nameless nameless is offline
JJ
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NYC
Posts: 363
Default I agree

Dixon,
I agree with you. It really upsets me to see an SGC60 with paper loss because I have cards with minimal paper loss on the back and have received 30s, 20s, and even 10s. I agree you can get a 20 for cheaper so as one collector told me and I try to stick to, "Don't pay for the grade". Oh well I honestly believe that a card with the amount of paper loss we are seeing in this example should receive a nice grade but being subjected to the SGC's grading scale in the past I still feel a bit of heartburn to see this.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-07-2010, 09:30 AM
Delray Vintage Delray Vintage is offline
Bob
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 145
Default paper loss

I agree that many cards with a tiny bit of paper loss should not be downgraded so much. The grading houses have decided that paper loss is much worse than a worn corner. Cards that have blank backs with glue marks should not receive downgrades to a 30 because of that, if the front is an 80 or 84. It seems like the standard is decided by the grading companies but I do not agree with it. We, the collectors, have been told by grading companies that a great looking card is really a bad card.

In the pre-slab grading days my guess is many of those cards would be graded Ex-MT and described as having a minor paper loss or glue on back. In that era most of us would have wanted an aesthetically pleasing card and would have accepted paper loss products much more readily.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
SGC Grading Question Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 4 04-06-2009 04:57 PM
Question about grading complete sets Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 1 02-25-2009 07:31 PM
SGC Grading Question Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 3 04-08-2008 06:43 PM
General Question about grading (opinion) Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 3 11-17-2005 07:55 AM
sgc grading question for y'all Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 14 11-16-2005 04:32 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:32 PM.


ebay GSB