So I got this the a while ago and don't know what it all is

[pencil1974]

Posted in the Memorabilia forum as well but figured I would try here too.

Picked this up a while ago, has an old tintype looking baseball player image along with the a piece of glass and some sort of cardboard divider. Any info on any of this stuff would be great. Everything is a bit fragile but very cool looking. Probably will sell it but wanted to know info before I do anything.

Thanks in advance.

Brad

[barrysloate]

Definitely not a tintype, and probably not period. I believe it is a glass plate negative. Incidentally, if you had an Old Judge N172 of Flynn, you could sell it and buy yourself a nice sports car!

[pencil1974]

Already have a Challenger and a corvette my wife would probably nix that purchase. Lol. So all of it is early 1900's then? I know for a fact the holder and other parts are not modern.

[pencil1974]

Sorry it's not glass its metal for sure (ball player) the other glass is clear.

[barrysloate]

Maybe an OJ expert needs to chime in. I know there were some tintypes made after the fact, probably from glass plate negatives, that were circulating around the hobby. There are no period OJ tintypes, they simply weren't made. Somebody who knows more than I do will answer your question.

[pencil1974]

Thanks Barry, it looks like there is some sort of reorder info on the back. For what its worth the paper on the back is old as well. But beside the ball player I'm just trying to figure out what everything else is as well.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Thanks Barry, it looks like there is some sort of reorder info on the back. For what its worth the paper on the back is old as well. But beside the ball player I'm just trying to figure out what everything else is as well.

I am not saying it's the case here (though I suspect it could be) but many times there will be legitimate period items with a more expensive fake item.....to make it all look good. I think it was taught in "scams 102"....

[pencil1974]

Well for what was paid for it its a minimal amount. I would assume if the tintype is fake (I know the paper on the back predates whiteners due to a black light test) the other pieces would come close to covering the entire thing.

Anyone I can send the whole thing to do they can look at it?

[pencil1974]

Also saw this sold in a past Saco River auction, are they known to sell fakes? Can't trust anyone these days it seems.

[dbrown]

The wooden "frame" here is a film or plate holder for a large-format camera. See a similar one here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wood-4x5-Gla...-/261298033586

(Which is part of it all being a fantasy piece, not the right era, material, etc. Never meant as a frame.)

[pencil1974]

So talked to a very respected member and this is part of the Vermont River find done in the early 1900's.

Thanks for all the info guys, I think I have enough on this now to speak to it when I sell.

[Joe_G.]

Your tintype was created from the original Goodwin & Co. glass plate negative which was recently auctioned by Saco River (attached below). The "Vermont Find" negatives also included a number of photos developed from these negatives, some tin types, others albumen. Some of the subjects such as Flynn and Doran have multiple surviving photos that appear to be early 20th century creations from these negatives. Others contend that some of these surviving photos could be 19th century. While the original negatives are historically significant and directly tied to the cards produced and distributed by Goodwin & Co., the photos are generally accepted as later creations and not valued as much.