Outed cards, now including a 130K gain on an Aaron rookie

[Johnny630]

That Annie Oakley Card is the most disgusting 9 I’ve ever seen. Cut short and majorly tilted ......how rigged is their opinion ? What line won’t they cross.....what won’t money buy...obviously all is fair game in this crooked industry.

[Peter_Spaeth]

There's no business like the card business.

Gary's a bad, bad man.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

That Annie Oakley Card is the most disgusting 9 I’ve ever seen. Cut short and majorly tilted ......how rigged is their opinion ? What line won’t they cross.....what won’t money buy...obviously all is fair game in this crooked industry.

Can't they immediately see that the borders are waaaaaaaay thinner side to side, than top-to-bottom? This is about the 500th example, in which an immediate glance tells you its trimmed. Either PSA is spending ZERO time examining these cards, or someone there is in cahoots with these deceitful and shameless butchers.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Can't they immediately see that the borders are waaaaaaaay thinner side to side, than top-to-bottom? This is about the 500th example, in which an immediate glance tells you its trimmed. Either PSA is spending ZERO time examining these cards, or someone there is in cahoots with these deceitful and shameless butchers.

Agree Bingo

Invitational Meetings with Graders....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

So one of the hobby (or business) dinosaurs gets outed. I'm certain there are more.

I'd be curious to know how much of the database has been examined. Have they reviewed most of the cards already or are they just scratching the surface?

[Peter_Spaeth]

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

Right but according to the new Peter C., all of these cards value in question are under $10,000.00 so who would bother in filing a lawsuit so nothing to see here

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are millions of graded cards and a significant portion likely is altered, although what that number is is anyone's guess. They (BODA) cannot possibly review even a fraction and for most of those no prior scan is going to exist. They've done a remarkable job to make as many connections as they have, but the vast vast majority of altered cards are IMO not capable of being outed by this process.

I agree that BODA has done an outstanding job and that the problem is vast rather than isolated. Meanwhile PSA is still playing the fiddle while the hobby is burning up in smoke.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

Wow another...... came from the coin Industry Always sneaks into shows instead of setting up and buying a table

[Rhotchkiss]

Here is a link to the article that calls out alleged trimmers. There are links to other articles and pictures of alleged trimmers. It’s a quick and easy read. Worthwhile. I have no idea about the article’s accuracy and have no comment regarding same.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Here is a link to the article that calls out alleged trimmers. There are links to other articles and pictures of alleged trimmers. It’s a quick and easy read. Worthwhile. I have no idea about the article’s accuracy and have no comment regarding same.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/anony...-trimmer-list/

I'm neither shocked, nor surprised. If accurate, it makes Operation Bullpen look like Child's Play.

Is this a new article? I had not seen it before, and do not see a date associated with it.

Thanks Ryan, for posting it.

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Adams Jr., that is. Posted without comment.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1333320

I had taken a break from collecting and was living in California in 1988. I walked into a card shop and bought an SCD. I had never seen one before and found weekly auctions run by Johnny Adams Jr. I was high bidder on a NM/MT+ 1962 Bob Gibson and A NM/MT 1963 Stargell Rookie. Never thought much about trimming since I collected in the mid- late 70's. In the early 1990's I sent both off to PSA and both were deemed trimmed. Lesson learned. Fast forward to 2015 or so and I actually get a call at my shop from Johnny Adams Jr. looking for collections. I told him what I thought of him and why. He replied that he never trimmed a card, only pushed down a corner or two and taken wax off. He said he would stop by and make it up to me. Of course he never did. 31 years ago he was pushing trimmed cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bbeck

I had taken a break from collecting and was living in California in 1988. I walked into a card shop and bought an SCD. I had never seen one before and found weekly auctions run by Johnny Adams Jr. I was high bidder on a NM/MT+ 1962 Bob Gibson and A NM/MT 1963 Stargell Rookie. Never thought much about trimming since I collected in the mid- late 70's. In the early 1990's I sent both off to PSA and both were deemed trimmed. Lesson learned. Fast forward to 2015 or so and I actually get a call at my shop from Johnny Adams Jr. looking for collections. I told him what I thought of him and why. He replied that he never trimmed a card, only pushed down a corner or two and taken wax off. He said he would stop by and make it up to me. Of course he never did. 31 years ago he was pushing trimmed cards.

Some of these guys partner with guys who actually do the work and don't do it themselves, but of course are equally culpable.